[Fenrir]

Originally posted by kietotheworld
I just FREDded a mission with a Hecate, an Orion, a Hatshepsut, a Typhon, and a Ravana against a Colossus with no fighters involved.

After about 10 Minutes all that remained was the Colossus and a Large Debris field.

This shows that the Colossus is excellent at what it is designed to do.

Indeed. The Colossus was supposed to be the biggest and baddest of them all. When they were building it, they figured the only thing the Shivans, if they reappeared at all, could throw at them is a bunch of Demons and maybe another Lucifer, and it could definitely eliminate the former (we've all seen how fast a disabled C. got rid of a Ravana).

As far as I can tell, the C. was designed to be a Lucy killer. Another Lucy would definitely be the highest on the list of things to develop weapons against and they were not expecting to ever encounter a ship just as big and more deadly than the C... Much less 80 of 'em.

That's how Capships in FS work. They're meant to rapidly dispatch ships of classes below them. When put up against a ship of equal power, it's typically a pretty even match and is swayed by the presence of other ships like fighters, bombers, and cruisers. The only thing is that the C. has no equal. Even though everything else falls below, the Sathanas outclasses it and was only destroyed by the C. because of extensive preparation by the GTVA (Read: Blowing off the thing's guns long before it ever saw the C.).

[Mefustae]

Originally posted by knn
Actually, that was because you get the same debriefing wether or not the Colossus is damaged. If you do destroy all  4 beam cannons, you get the good job debriefing - even if the C survived with 1% hull. However, if the C destroyes the Sathi before you take out all the beams, you get stg like "had you completed your objectives, the C would've sustained less damage". This is quite strange, but I guess [V] made Bearbeiting so hard so that you can`t destroy all beams and the C suffers damage. Then the C`s comm officer`s shouting makes much more sense ("were giving it all we`ve got" etc.), and the mission is more interesting (since you have to destroy two or one more beams while enemy fighters are attacking you). If you do destroy the beams, you still get the medal, even if you failed to complete Bearbeiting perfectly

Okay, who here hasn't completed Bearbaiting perfectly, c'mon, own up to it...

[WMCoolmon]

I don't think I've ever gotten the flak turrets and all the beams.

[knn]

The first time I played FS2 i didn`t get all the turrets, I just thought it wasn`t worth it, but later I did it

[Fenrir]

I haven't. I'm on that mission right now, so I suppose I could try.

[Kosh]

Originally posted by knn



BTW, that cb was clearly referring to the hull: it will take several monts "to fully repair the warships hull"

I usually can take out all 4 beam turrets, just not the flak guns and the beams.



I was referring to the CB. I don't recall it saying that in the debriefing.

[BlueFlames]

On my most recent pass through Bearbaiting, I destroyed all four beams and was lining up for my first pass against the flak battery.  I think I had just locked my Trebuchets when the Sathanas jumped.  My average run has me taking out three beams and starting in on the last one before I have to get clear or get run over.  The real trick seems to be knowing when to call for the supply ship and when to actually stop for it.  I've not got the timing established yet, but I'm starting to believe it could be possible to knock out all four beams and the flak battery.

Of course, that's entirely off-topic...  I seem to recall another one of these threads from a couple years back.  Several other posts have established what the Colossus was and was not designed to fight, but I must add that the Colossus was designed to fight in a particular way.  Like the Orion, the Colossus has the most threatening field of fire to the sides of the ship.  As with older naval warships, it is designed to fire enormous salvos from its broadside into its target.  End-on, it has very little stopping power, but if it 'crosses the T,' that is, turning perpendicularly across the path of a line of hostile ships (with similar turret configurations; I'm not talking Sathanases here), the smoke from the first ship won't have cleared before the last ship in the line is dead.

The Sathanas really is a special case.  Given the out-of-the-box ships, the Sathanas is the only ship with the BFRed beam (christ, it'd be nice if we didn't have to pull names from the table file for beam cannons), and it has FOUR of them essentially sharing one firing arc.  Really, if you use a head-on confrontation with a Sathanas as your measuring stick for a capital ship's quality, something tells me that even the Sathanas will suck.  It's just an absurd metric.

Actually, now I'm curious to see exactly how long it takes one Sathanas to kill another, but that's not something to test at 2:40am.  I'll crack open FRED tomorrow afternoon and give it a twirl.  I've got a feeling that placing two ships and orienting them to face each other will take longer than the killing.

[edit]Tested the Sathanas against itself earlier today.  Over several trials, one Sathanas cannot stand against another for much more than a minute.[/edit]

[karajorma]

The Sathanas inflicted moderate damage against the Colossus, though its systems remain 80% operational. Terran and Vasudan engineers anticipate it will take several months to fully repair the warship's hull.

Of course they could be refering to repairing the hull after they have to open it up to stick the new beam cannons in

[Kie99]

In my FREDded scenario, the Colossus wouldn't have even blown its heat sinks, because it had the default armaments.

[FireCrack]

It's funny how the colossus doesnt actualy have a fighterbay.

[Goober5000]

Originally posted by FireCrack
It's funny how the colossus doesnt actualy have a fighterbay.

It has one...

[FireCrack]

Look at the model...

[TopAce]

It has one
A wing was deployed from it in the Their Finest Hour mission.

[FireCrack]

there is no modeled fighterbay, just an area outside the ship called "fighterbay" where fighters magicaly spawn.

[knn]

Originally posted by FireCrack
there is no modeled fighterbay, just an area outside the ship called "fighterbay" where fighters magicaly spawn.

There`s a large triangular hole in it, that`s the fighterbay, but you can`t see it, because it`s all covered in lights texture like the hull around it. Switch to wireframe view

[WMCoolmon]

Originally posted by ngtm1r
The Colossus is surprisingly fast for something its size: 25 m/s, which means that in Real Life™ it can outrun any destroyer in FS, and hold even, at minimum, with most cruisers. It is also surprisingly quick to manuver (baseball bat effect, anyone?). This casts doubt on the likelyhood of being able to effectively approach from an angle it cannot engage you at.

[WMCoolmon]

[knn]

BTW, that belongs into the Tribute - MS Paint The FS Moments thread, even if it`s not paint

[Goober5000]

[EtherShock]

You cheated! That's photoshopped.