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3 Bombs go off in London
Looks like only chaos bombs rather than devastating ones, but still;

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Well reports on TV are saying that there are 90 casualties in one of the tube explosions but then again the same station reported that a plane flew into a building in Chicago on Setember 11th so I don't trust rolling news much.
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Yeah, it's changed since I posted - Looks like 20 dead, too....
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6 hours after they announce that London gets the Olympic games rather than France too...


I hope it wasn't bombs, they don't know for sure yet. Hope no-one who visits these boards is effected by it...

 

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Definately bombs; you can't get simultaneous accidental explosions on different transport networks.  The Met. Police Commissioner was just on the telly saying there were 6 suspectedexplosions; 1 on a bus, the rest on the tube (Russel Sq, Moorgate, Liverpool St are ones I've heard; I've been in Moorgate station myself).

It looks like it was timed to coincide with the Olympic announcement and the movement of police / anti-terrorism officials to the G8 summit.

And it is, of course, a ****ing nightmare to happen.

EDIT;  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4659093.stm
[q]- 0849 - Report of explosion on Metropolitan Line between Liverpool Street and Aldgate
- Further explosions reported at Aldgate East, Edgware Road, King's Cross, Russell Square and Moorgate
- Two Underground trains collide near King's Cross
[/q]
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In case the above link goes obsolete:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4659093.stm
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Originally posted by TopAce
In case the above link goes obsolete:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4659093.stm


Y'know, that's going to confuse the hell out some people :D

(He means the link at the top of the page, BTW)
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Hell. That post wasn't there when I started posting my reply!
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I'm just evil that way.

Um.... story is that these blasts were at peak time in the morning.  There's another report of an explosion near Hounditch Road.  It's hard to quantify how bad 'bad' is in this situation, of course.

AFAIK the only confirmed casualties are 2 people at Aldgate East.

Al-Queda have been linked as responsible (scarcely a surprise; it's their type of MO).

 

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True and it's most likely them but it's worth remembering that there are all kinds of anarchist w**kers in the country at the moment cause of the G8 summit and it's not exactly hard to copy an MO like this.
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That's true, yes; albeit I don't think they'd want to be mistaken for another group if they arranged this sort of thing.  I'm not sure if anarchist groups fall into this sort of sophisticated planned terrorism (synchronized blasts, possibly attacking the power infrastructure for the tube as well) instead of being mindless thugs; although it only takes a small group to pull this sort of thing off, so it's a moot point.

EDIT; if it was a suicide bomber on the bus, as has been suggested, I think that would definately point to an islamic fundamentalist group (as IIRC Al-queda is a sort of funding/organisation group for multiple independent groups rather than a singly homogenous 'worldwide' terrorist entity, I use the name as a sort of blanket cover for the specific organisation responsible).
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Very unpleasent business indeed... and right on the wake of the Olympics / G8 etc. Quite unbelievable.

 

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This is just so ****ed up, that's all I can say. :no:
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wait a second, I thought you all said there was no AlQueda, that it was all just made up by the US government after one of the bombings...
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There is no shadowy terrorist organisation called Al Queda that has tentacles all over the world and which is run by Bin Laden from a cave in Afghanistan.

What in fact exists is a loose affiliation of muslim terrorist groups which only started to use the name Al Queda after the American government invented that name in order to prosecute certain indivuduals under the organised crime laws.

Bin Laden is not in charge of Al Queda. He's merely a finacier of their operations who has become a figurehead for the operation. In fact it's possible that the first he knew of the 9\11 attacks is when he saw them on TV (unless he's responsible for paying money to any of the people involved). Either way it almost certainly wasn't his plan.

Basically the name Al Queda is now famous after 9\11 and as a result Islamic terrorists use that name because it inspires more fear than saying they are part of Crimson Jihad or whatever cliche name they've choose for themselves.
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Al-Queda was never mentioned by Bin Ladin until after it had come up in his trial - in absentia - for the Nigerian embassy bombings (as kara said, the only way they could convict Bin Ladin was to use the old racketeering laws created to tackle the mafia, and that required an 'organisation').

IIRC the main testimony detailing the 'operation' of Al-Queda was from a defector who a) was paid several hundred thousand dollars for his testimony and b) had stolen money from Bin Ladin.

My understanding is that bin Ladin is simply a financier and fixer; he's rich, he probably has some names in his phone book, but he's not orchestrating any attacks - just wiring the money.  IIRC the guy regarded as responsible for organizing 9/11 was Khalid Shaikh Mohammed.  In fact, I believe many of the armed people seen in the various videos with Bin Ladin as his entourage were found to have been hired for that purpose (to be seen).

Not to say Islamic fundamentalist terrorism doesn't exist, of course; but it's politically expedient to depict it in the way Al-Qaeda allows.  for one thing you have a Goldstein-esque figure of hate to blame, you have an identifiable target, and you have a mechanism to mobilise the population by presenting a seemingly credible threat to their existence.  The truth is that these terrorists are organized in primarily independent small groups and cells, with shifting alliances and existing in shadow; it's not a case of cutting off the head to kill a snake.  And because of this they will always exist - there's always going to be a lunatic fringe of humanity - the question is how to stop the 'normal' people who grow to sympathise and support them financially, logistically, or through engaging in acts of terror.

But these groups present a minimal threat to society compared to what they are portrayed as (under the guise of Al-Queda) - even despite todays tragedy, the vast likelihood is that we will never be within 100 miles of an attack, let alone caught in one.

I'd suggest looking for a copy of the BBC documentary 'The power of nightmares' (pt 3); it covers this in a lot of detail.

 

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I find it incredably hard to believe that only two people died, reading the reports thus far.
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It'll be in the tens, but hopefully not hundreds, I think.  It seems that the blasts were on buses and on underground carriages; both in total i think don't carry enough for a massive death toll, and hopefully the nature of train carriages would have limited the effects of the blast to be upon (the poor sods in) a single carriage.

Really it's a moot point how many died; the point has to be that someone died because of these bastards, and they need to be hunted down, caught and convicted for that.  I have to admit I share the same morbid curiousity a lot of people do about death tolls, but at the same time I get pissed off about the people in the media badgering the police chief (in interviews) for a rough number.

 

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Originally posted by aldo_14
I'd suggest looking for a copy of the BBC documentary 'The power of nightmares' (pt 3); it covers this in a lot of detail.


I second that. Get all three parts if possible. The documentary explains a hell of a lot of things about the history of the the islamic fundementalist movement.
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