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You need BOTH force and a carrot.


Indeed, but it's a balance. The more lubrication you add, the less force you have to use.

 

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Indeed, but it's a balance. The more lubrication you add, the less force you have to use.


I can think of ways that's not true ;7
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About the body count, it's probably a bit higher than being reported because it's more than likely that many people were blown up beyond easy identification. The Israelis learned this...

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Hey, look: Terrorism works:

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$3bn agreed for Palestinian Authority for investment in infrastructure.


Of course, we all know how trustworthy the PA is with finances. :rolleyes:

My condolences to Londoners - I know what you're going through.
My condolences to Brits as a whole, as well - your country's in sad shape, I hate to say.
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No, it didn't work for the Palestinians. Do you want to know why? Because Israel still exists.
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Amen.
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Originally posted by Sandwich

My condolences to Brits as a whole, as well - your country's in sad shape, I hate to say.


In what way precisely?
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He's probably referring to Charles and Camilla.
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He's probably referring to Charles and Camilla.

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I thought you would be a fan of Britain given the government's alliance with the americans Sandwich?
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"Ugly ugly children...." er.. monarchy...
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In what way precisely?


Bluntly, you're being taken over by Islam from the inside.

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[color=66ff00]I thought you would be a fan of Britain given the government's alliance with the americans Sandwich?
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I might be, if I were a fan of America at the moment. But right now, I'm not even a fan of Israel.
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Bluntly, you're being taken over by Islam from the inside.


Yeah. And we'd better sleep with a bat in hand cause the bogeyman lives under the bed too.

You do realise that the UK is one of the most secular nations on Earth right?
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Bluntly, you're being taken over by Islam from the inside.



Do you have any idea how descriminatory a statement like that is? With thoughts like that, it is little wonder why they hate you so much.

Following that "logic", I could say that the mass immagrations into the US from China was a all along a plot by the chinese to take over the US from the inside. :rolleyes:
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Well, technically he is right. Take the percentage of Muslims living in the UK today and let's say 40 years ago. Works the same way for France. So the question then is do you consdier this to be good, bad or neutral, which really would depend on your views regarding British (or more generaly national) identity.

Kosh: why is it discriminatory? All he's saying is that people who identify themselves with Islam make up an increasing percentage of the British population and/or that these people aren't assimilating well. It's like saying "Utah is mostly white Christian". Since when did all reference to race, religion or sex become discriminatory?

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"Ugly ugly children...." er.. monarchy...

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Well, technically he is right. Take the percentage of Muslims living in the UK today and let's say 40 years ago.


Technically he's speaking bollocks. The percentage of atheists in the country has increased at a much larger rate in the same time period. So if we're talking about someone taking over its the atheists.

In addition the number of Muslims increased as a direct result of opening the borders after the war. You might as well say that black people are taking over due to the influx of West Indians who came into the country around the same time.

Now that the wave of immigrations has ended the amount of muslims isn'#t increasing at any huge rate. Certainly not at a rate at which they could take over any time soon.
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I never said they weren't.

 

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It's descriminatory because it sounds like there is some kind of conspiracy to take over britain and turn it into an Iran style theocracy. It sounds like they want to take over the world. Which is complete non-sense.
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I never said they weren't.


You said he was right about Islam taking over. You're going to have to provide more than the fact that there are more muslims in the country than 40 years ago to prove that ludicrous claim.
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It's descriminatory because it sounds like there is some kind of conspiracy to take over britain and turn it into an Iran style theocracy. It sounds like they want to take over the world. Which is complete non-sense.


Most mainstream faiths do though. Islam is no different... except it's got lots more followers in the developing, empoverished, world more willing to go postal in it's name.
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It's descriminatory because it sounds like there is some kind of conspiracy to take over britain and turn it into an Iran style theocracy. It sounds like they want to take over the world. Which is complete non-sense.


Well, I won't speak for Sandwich, but I at least didn't interpret it as any sort of conspiracy. It simple: immigrants generally go wherever the living conditions are best, which happens to be Western Europe, Canada and the like. As time passes, demographics begin to change, and certain ethnic groups begin to make up significant portions of the population. It's like Chinatown or Little Italy on a national level.

kara: It's a matter of interpretation. I would likewise agree with anyone who claimed that Mexicans are taking over the southern states in the US, though there is no grand plan (that I'm aware of) among Mexican immigrants to capture US territory or anything of that sort (though that would actually be kind of cool). It's just demographics, which are in fact no small matter when tracked over decades or centuries. Obviously, I didn't mean that there is any sort of consipiracy, just that for whatever reason Muslims are a significant minority in certain European countries, including Britain, and that, as far as I can see, is unlikey to change. In fact, it will likely increase, unless conditions change for the worse in Britain or for the better in the home countries of the immigrants.
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