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Re: Wikipedia needs a better FSO pic.
Reply #100 on: January 06, 2006, 06:21:41 am
Ahh, this is good. :) Here:

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Re: Wikipedia needs a better FSO pic.
Reply #101 on: January 06, 2006, 06:49:16 am
What about PNG?
It's smaller than TGA and lossless...
 

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Re: Wikipedia needs a better FSO pic.
Reply #102 on: January 06, 2006, 08:07:19 am
No, not lossless, but much better.

If you want a lossless and compressed pic, use TGA wit RLE compression, or something similar.
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Re: Wikipedia needs a better FSO pic.
Reply #103 on: January 06, 2006, 11:23:47 am
:rolleyes: PNG is lossless. The problem was that it was also a 900+ kb file. That JPG is sufficiently high quality IMO.
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill
 

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Re: Wikipedia needs a better FSO pic.
Reply #104 on: January 06, 2006, 12:03:20 pm
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Head to head with the Medusa back on the second page, think I actually prefer this.
 

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Re: Wikipedia needs a better FSO pic.
Reply #105 on: January 06, 2006, 12:58:24 pm
Quote from: Sandwich on January 06, 2006, 11:23:47 am
:rolleyes: PNG is lossless.

Crikey, you learn something new every day. I really thought PNG was a variant of the JPEG algorithm.
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Re: Wikipedia needs a better FSO pic.
Reply #106 on: January 06, 2006, 01:12:41 pm
PNGs closest relative is actually GIF (In terms of what it should be used for at least).
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Re: Wikipedia needs a better FSO pic.
Reply #107 on: January 06, 2006, 01:33:33 pm
Quote from: BlackDove on January 06, 2006, 12:03:20 pm
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http://home.arcor.de/mr_maniac/Bilder/fs2open/HTLherc.png

Head to head with the Medusa back on the second page, think I actually prefer this.
I can't say I'm a fan of the little circles around the running lights on the Herc... although I know that's an effects thing and not any reflection on the shot itself.
 

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Re: Wikipedia needs a better FSO pic.
Reply #108 on: January 06, 2006, 05:05:59 pm
Quote from: karajorma on January 06, 2006, 01:12:41 pm
PNGs closest relative is actually GIF (In terms of what it should be used for at least).

Err, no. :p There's two main forms of PNG as far as I know. One, PNG-24 (bit), is a completely lossless format, which also supports an alpha transparency channel. It's used for anything from pixel-perfect photos to screenshots that don't degrade. It is compressed, but not to the point where it starts to lose data. There's also PNG-8, which is very similar to GIF, in that it can have up to 256 colors. The compression is generally far superior to GIF compression; the only superiority GIF has over PNG is the animatability (the PNG version of which is .MNG, but I know next to nothing about that format).
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill
 

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Re: Wikipedia needs a better FSO pic.
Reply #109 on: January 06, 2006, 05:09:29 pm
Yeah I was basically refering to PNG-8 there :) PNG was pretty much touted as a gif replacement when it first came out but the PC didn't really take it up due the dominance of IE at the time.
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Re: Wikipedia needs a better FSO pic.
Reply #110 on: January 06, 2006, 09:27:37 pm
3ds max offers a 48-bit PNG format :confused:
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Re: Wikipedia needs a better FSO pic.
Reply #111 on: January 06, 2006, 11:00:09 pm
Lots of lovely pics, but to be honest guys, at some point, you need to stop debating and make a decision ;)
 

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Re: Wikipedia needs a better FSO pic.
Reply #112 on: January 06, 2006, 11:31:00 pm
The new pic is pretty good. I kind of liked them together, though, it really showed the progression of graphics. ;)
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Re: Wikipedia needs a better FSO pic.
Reply #113 on: January 07, 2006, 12:23:41 am
I like that green Fenris shot a lot, but it doesn't really show off the new FSO features. It would look better with environmental mapping and could definitely use some AA.

Quote from: Flipside on January 06, 2006, 11:00:09 pm
Lots of lovely pics, but to be honest guys, at some point, you need to stop debating and make a decision ;)

:yes:

I'm surprised this is still being debated actually. It's not like it's a really important decision. :D
 

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Re: Wikipedia needs a better FSO pic.
Reply #114 on: January 07, 2006, 03:47:35 am
Trouble is... as soon as someone pics a picture - some shiny new feature comes out that makes it worth going back to the drawing board ;)
 

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Re: Wikipedia needs a better FSO pic.
Reply #115 on: January 07, 2006, 04:20:58 am
You'll notice that the green Levi is already on the Wiki page.
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Re: Wikipedia needs a better FSO pic.
Reply #116 on: January 07, 2006, 05:40:10 am
Quote from: Raa on January 06, 2006, 09:27:37 pm
3ds max offers a 48-bit PNG format :confused:

You'll notice that in Photoshop > Image > Mode you can select 16 bits/channel as opposed to the default 8. a 48-bit PNG is simply a PNG that stores each RGB color channel using 16 bits of information for each pixel. So instead of 2563 (3 color channels of 28 possible colors per channel) = 16,777,216 colors, you have 65,5363 (3 color channels of 216 possible colors per channel) = 281,474,976,710,656 colors. :eek2:
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Re: Wikipedia needs a better FSO pic.
Reply #117 on: January 07, 2006, 05:45:16 am
Why? The human eye can only discern about a million colours anyway. Are we making webpages for aliens? :D
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Re: Wikipedia needs a better FSO pic.
Reply #118 on: January 07, 2006, 06:13:47 am
The eye may only be able to discern a certain amount of colors, but when graphics pros are processing images, applying all sorts of filters and such for publications, the image quality degrades more in 8bpc images as opposed to 16bpc, to the point where the difference is actually noticable in the final result.
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Re: Wikipedia needs a better FSO pic.
Reply #119 on: January 07, 2006, 07:56:31 am
Quote from: Col. Fishguts on January 07, 2006, 04:20:58 am
You'll notice that the green Levi is already on the Wiki page.

:nod:

I put it up there, because

a) It's a wiki. If anyone has any major issues with it, they can change it as easily as I did, and

b) There's styill room for more shots, especially if we're going for featured article status (4 or 5 shots would be a maximum of course, but a good solid shot of, say, the Lucifer, or the Collosus, could easily be worked into the article.
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