[Ace Pace]

You know where to put this

Whats the next mission I have to fix?

2Shouldn't the file extension be .fs2 like with the first fixed mission (which I just want to thank you for, works for me )?

Rename to .fs2 or DL this.

Your friendly neighborhood dude who forgot 95% of his FRED knowledge.

[ARSPR]

While performing tests with 3.6.9. RC3 I've found a small mission bug in DL2-11.fs2 ("The Stars are Right"). I have tried to post it as spoiler but I can't (I don't have the proper permissions to post spoilers  ). So I post it in a very dark colour:

It happens nearly never, but sometimes when Cipher arrives, it disables SCv Tsathoggua, or even if you are really brave you can try disabling it yourself. An then this ship doesn't escape even if it is supposed to in following mission briefings. Nevertheless it can't be destroyed (its hull strength just drops till 1%)


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And another small bug in the same mission:

Normally Alpha docking ring is quickly destroyed but sometimes it takes some more time till shivans destroy Beta docking one. The problem is that the aiming point for both Ganimede rings are inside the SD Nyarlathotep so once the outer sectors are destroyed, SCv Tsathoggua and shivans fighters and bombers rather attack their boss than its jail.

And OTOH SD Nyar... attacks with its beams Alpha docking but not Beta.

[karajorma]

The former is not an SCP bug. It's actually a mission bug. Ships should not fall below 1% when hit by weapons that don't carry the huge or supercap tags. This is the default behaviour (In fact they don't fall below 10% in retail but this was changed slightly in FS2_Open).

It is a mission designers responsibility to ensure that a ship which is mission critical departs correctly. When making a mission you have two choices as to how a mission critical ship departs (excluding WMCs limbo and other fancy SCP trickery).

a) Give the ship a departure cue in the ship editor (and risk a ship departing even when disabled)
b) Give a ship ai-Warpout orders via SEXPs (and risk a ship failing to depart if disabled)

The mission designer should take both potential risks into consideration when deciding which of the two to use and take steps to minimise either making the mission look bad.

[ARSPR]

Thank you, Karajorma.

I was sure it wasn't a SCP bug but a mission design weakness.

OTOH I didn't want to point the 1% hull effect (if you want a ship to be indestructible and if it is going to be attacked, there must be an unbreakable threshold in its hull strength, so 1%, 10%, 43% or 100% is just a cosmetic decission).

What I wanted to remark just was that the ship can be disabled. Would it be possible to set Engine Subsystem indestructible so you cannot disable the ship? (I suppose that this feature is not available if it hasn't been used by the expert modders that have made the campaign.).

[karajorma]

It wasn't available. It is now. You can guardian a subsystem. I dislike doing it with hostile ships though. I'd prefer to see the subsystem get repaired or the mission take care to make sure the player doesn't get the chance to destroy the subsystem.

[ARSPR]

Well, I can confirm that the trouble with "The Enemy of my Enemy" mission is a SCP bug because 3.6.9.RC3 suffers it but Karajorma's 20060323 doesn't.

I have mantised it as 967 (http://lore.maxgaming.net/~scp/mantis/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0000967).

I don't know much about modding or coding but it seems the problem is that Zodiac Wing Departure event is not triggered. In events window you only get individual ship departures. (In mantis I have upload several screenshots).

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I have just noticed that this can be a duplicate of 755 which was marked as solved (http://lore.maxgaming.net/~scp/mantis/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0000755)

Goober says that this is not 755. For curious people, the bug appears in CVS 20060520. 20060519 works fine.
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OTOH, in that mission there's a strange behaviour with Cancer wing. I don't know if it can be a bug: (I post it in very dark colour as it can be spoiler):

I always play the mission leaving my wing escorting Vigilant so basically I fight alone against Shivans. Then when Cancer wings arrive they are VERY VERY pacific. If I don't go quite near them (I'm saying less than 1 or 2 km), even if I use my Trebuchets against them, they just don't attack me. And even when they're attacking me they seem to be thinking about their holidays

What do you think about it?

[Dark Hunter]

I noticed more strange Shivan behavior later on in the campaign. The mission in which the GVD Nekhbet appears, and they tell you to let Shivans escape so you can chase them for the next few missions. Anyway, if you leave a wing alone, they do something....... odd. One will accelerate, fly a wide arc path, then stop. Then one after another the rest will follow. Why do they do this airdance (I guess it'd actually be a "spacedance")?

I took a short video of this behavior. So if someone tells me how to post a vid, I will do so.

[ARSPR]

OTOH, in that mission there's a strange behaviour with Cancer wing. I don't know if it can be a bug: (I post it in very dark colour as it can be spoiler):

I always play the mission leaving my wing escorting Vigilant so basically I fight alone against Shivans. Then when Cancer wings arrive they are VERY VERY pacific. If I don't go quite near them (I'm saying less than 1 or 2 km), even if I use my Trebuchets against them, they just don't attack me. And even when they're attacking me they seem to be thinking about their holidays

What do you think about it?

I've played this mission with last available Backslash's multitarget beta build (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,39259.msg816034.html#msg816034) because it has a quite  handy "bug" that shows orders for enemy ships. I've checked that Cancer ships have no assigned orders.

So is their behaviour normal? Or are we facing a SCP bug?

[Ace Pace]

From my attempts at fixing that mission, this appears to be a cross, the mission itself was coded in a slightly broken fashion(hence the reason for my fixed .fs2 file) while the AI is badly done. However, not being home I could be forgetting stuff.

[J.P.]

I'v got a problem on the gorgon cannon mission.

They fire the first shot and then everybody just flies around. I even sped up time and nothing happens.

-J.P.

[Ace Pace]

I'v got a problem on the gorgon cannon mission.

They fire the first shot and then everybody just flies around. I even sped up time and nothing happens.

-J.P.

Happened to me aswell, untill I can get home and fix that mission(I think I know where the problem is), just do it yourself.

[karajorma]

I've played this mission with last available Backslash's multitarget beta build (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,39259.msg816034.html#msg816034) because it has a quite  handy "bug" that shows orders for enemy ships. I've checked that Cancer ships have no assigned orders.

So is their behaviour normal? Or are we facing a SCP bug?

Is it that Cancer wing has no orders or that the second wave onwards have no orders? Cause if it's the latter then try playing with 3.6.9 RC 4 and see if that fixes it.

[ARSPR]

I've played this mission with last available Backslash's multitarget beta build (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,39259.msg816034.html#msg816034) because it has a quite  handy "bug" that shows orders for enemy ships. I've checked that Cancer ships have no assigned orders.

So is their behaviour normal? Or are we facing a SCP bug?

Is it that Cancer wing has no orders or that the second wave onwards have no orders? Cause if it's the latter then try playing with 3.6.9 RC 4 and see if that fixes it.

Even the first wave has no orders. And all of them are quite pacific.

So, what I wanted to ask is if it is normal for a ENEMY wing without orders behave in that way (not being agressive).

[karajorma]

NOpe. Without orders they should still do something unless they have no-dynamic-orders set or have been told to play dead.

[ARSPR]

NOpe. Without orders they should still do something unless they have no-dynamic-orders set or have been told to play dead.

Well, I've played some more times and:

+ I'm playing at medium difficulty.

+ When they enter from subspace they start flying in circles.

+ If you let them alone, without firing at them, even if you are really near (50 m) they keep with their dance.

+ If you attack them they tend to defend but without much punch.

+ When some time has pased and if you had left them alone then they start attacking you with conviction. It seems thet if you are near them (let say about 2 Km) the full wing attacks. If you are at longer distance they attack one each time

[ARSPR]

A quick post to confirm to anyone not looking Mantis that "The Enemy of my Enemy" bug is solved with last 3.6.9. Release Candidate 5 build.

[badgerchurch86]

I'm not sure if anyone else has had this problem, but I downloaded it and when I went to start the campaign, it starts me on the level just after the Nyrlothotep escapes.  Any ideas on how to fix this?

[Herra Tohtori]

I would try creating new pilot.

[badgerchurch86]

That worked.  Thanks.

[Kaboodles]

So I downloaded this campaign a few weeks ago and am loving it so far.  An interesting thing I witnessed while tackling the mission \"The Stars are Right\" (The one where Narly wakes up, shoots things, and manages to escape).  I was having trouble with the mission so I decided to make it easier for myself by taking out its main beam cannons at the beginning before all hell broke loose.  The Nyarlathotep ended up dead.