[karajorma]

I very much doubt that Bosch was a secret operative of the GTVA. His monologues contain all kinds of things that make it seem very unlikely.

As a young pilot, I battled against the rebels of the Great War, the Galactic Terran Intelligence, whose research of Shivan technology and biology would form the cornerstone of my project. The Terran-Vasudan Alliance buried this knowledge, but I resurrected it. I alone realized our species had no future with the Vasudans. If we are to survive, our destiny must lie elsewhere.

Doesn't really sound like the words of someone who is working for the GTVA to me.

[Herra Tohtori]

Then, the GTVA (or rather, some faction inside it) is working for Bosch.

Bosch (and perhaps his co-pilots, but they are not montioned) found out things that GTI people were working on; GTVA buried them but didn't bury Bosch. So, perhaps there were other people like Bosch, who knew something about the Shivans that GTVA command was not willing to give into public? And perhaps these people were sympathetic to Bosch's cause (not the xenophobic movement, but the communicating with Shivans -thing)? It's possible there were more people in GTVA with similar records wih mr. Bosch: fought in GTI rebellion, found out something (what, we can again just guess), got themselves into positions of some influence, like admirals or generals and stuff like that.

Why did the Command let Bosch escape? Without giving reasons on or off the record? Any way, there definitely is something fishy about Bosch, and his Shivan-related activities, and the open plot lines do suggest that a sequel would have told us more about it, but it seems it never will do that now.

...does anyone else find it disturbing that we're debating of wheter or not there was some kind of a conspiracy going on in a fictional universe? Bah, perhaps there were no conspiracy, just spies giving bogus co-ordinates and conjuring sabotage on fire control systems of cap ships and stuff like that. But then again, you'd have to discredit the GTVI for not finding out and thwarting these counter-covert operations, if that's even a word.

[Nuclear1]

Why did the Command let Bosch escape? Without giving reasons on or off the record? Any way, there definitely is something fishy about Bosch, and his Shivan-related activities, and the open plot lines do suggest that a sequel would have told us more about it, but it seems it never will do that now.

Command likely let Bosch escape in Deneb due to his promise to withdraw NTF forces from the system and allow the GTVA to relieve itself of a three-front civil war. Command likely deliberately gave Alpha wing the wrong coordinates in order to allow Bosch to withdraw to Sirius, but still deployed the wing to allow the GTVA to destroy NTF ships en route to the node once Bosch was away.

My guess is obviously that admiral Bosch's NTF and ETAK were originally a GTVA covert operation related to investigating shivans and perhaps even to try and contact them. Or something related, there's so many plot lines without clear close-up when you take a closer look on what happens.

Well, we already know that ETAK was a project designed before the NTF regime, however not by the GTVA. I highly doubt that the GTVA had planned on the NTF rebellion either: likely, they sent tired old Bosch with a fleet to a backwater system to keep him happy and out of the picture.

Actually I've always thought that when Alpha 1 perishes at Capella, it's a much more fitting end to the story than surviving the supernova in a nick of time - and it also adds up to "conspiracy"-impression.

I agree with the first part of this statement, but not with the conspiracy idea. Alpha 1's death due to the supernova seems a fitting end to the story because it offers some closure for Alpha 1; he perishes, but he does it, as Petrarch says, selflessly defending civilians like a GTVA pilot should, and doesn't have to live through post-traumatic stress that he would have likely endured had he survived.

[NGTM-1R]

It's not like they would've let Capella blow if they could've prevented it, but honestly, I can't believe they wouldn't have at least suspected of something like that happening, what with strange subspace distortions increasing and about 80 Sathanasi around the star.

This is much more believable, to borrow a quote, as "a failure of imagination" then a conspiracy. To destroy a star is so far outside of the realm of possiblity as the GTVA understands it that it never occured to anyone to even wonder if that's what the Shivans were trying to do, much less actually doing. I suspect that the GTVA's physicists are going to be scratching their heads over how it was accomplished for at least a decade.

[aldo_14]

Assuming, of course, the Shivans intended to supernova the star.

[Mefustae]

What ever happened to that carrier-style modification of the Orion, the one with an extra runway going diagonally out the other side from the normal hanger? I'd search for it myself, but the Search is being a real b**** and keeps nagging at me to be more f***ing specific...

[NGTM-1R]

Assuming, of course, the Shivans intended to supernova the star.

That too.

[Trivial Psychic]

What ever happened to that carrier-style modification of the Orion, the one with an extra runway going diagonally out the other side from the normal hanger? I'd search for it myself, but the Search is being a real b**** and keeps nagging at me to be more f***ing specific...

Back when TrashMan was re-doing his Orion MK2, some of use were giving suggestions about flight deck options, and one was for an angled flight deck.  It never happenned.  His revised model had a shorter flight deck on the Port side.

[AlphaOne]

well even if the shivans did not intend for the star to go supernova you can rest asured that GTVA scientists will finda way to recreate the conditions that led to its eventual destruction. Why? Well because it might make for a good weapon against the shivans and because humans are just that wai alwais seking for more powerfull wais of crushing your enemies.

[Mars]

I think you need a good number of juggernaughts for that to work.

[karajorma]

well even if the shivans did not intend for the star to go supernova you can rest asured that GTVA scientists will finda way to recreate the conditions that led to its eventual destruction. Why? Well because it might make for a good weapon against the shivans and because humans are just that wai alwais seking for more powerfull wais of crushing your enemies.

If a bunch of feudal knights saw a nuclear weapon they'd probably think that was a great weapon too. Doesn't mean they'd be able to replicate it.

[aldo_14]

well even if the shivans did not intend for the star to go supernova you can rest asured that GTVA scientists will finda way to recreate the conditions that led to its eventual destruction. Why? Well because it might make for a good weapon against the shivans and because humans are just that wai alwais seking for more powerfull wais of crushing your enemies.

Yes, because it's piss easy for the GTVA to build 80 5km long vessels, find Shivan space, slip them through an unstable node, surround a star undetected, blow it and probably most of those 80 ships up, and thus deny the use of a star system to the Shivans.....who don't have any interest in holding territory anyways.

[Mars]

Knowing the GTVA they would try and do that. Cause they're all on space-

[S-99]

Well, keep in mind that little probe the gtva had in the system checking out the sun with the sathani around it sending data back on what was happening to it. They could replicate if they wanted, they certainly don't have the resources for it. I don't really know here, but to get a supernova going don't you have to remove some of the stars mass to ruin the helium hydrogen balance, and then it blows? If sathani were doing that via a subspace field, maybe they were actually like warping some of the stars mass out of the system, the whole star was surrounded by sathani engulfing it in a subspace field. As far as the sathani warping out just before the star blew, you don't need a subspace node to do an in-system jump. I don't know where the sathani were able to go if they did an in-system jump, not like they would get far enough away from the nova. Unless they can actually get far enough away from the nova doing an in-system jump to somewhere else In other words, maybe the shivans pulled another "ross128" out of their asses
Anyways, that's my theory, maybe the shivans did an in-system jump somewhere else, and maybe a star going nova can extend an in-system jump range considerably. So yeah, keywords here, in-system jump style that went "ross128" style.

[Herra Tohtori]

Actually my suggestion to "Whatever happened to Star Capella" would be that the Shivans speeded up the local time around the star as the cost of their subspace traveling, making the star to produce energy with much greater apparent power. This power was then probably coupled to subspace devices of the Sathanasi, which allowed them to create a node of their preference, leading to pretty much whereever they wanted to go.

In short - they probably just happened to speed up the aging process of Capella by several magnitudes. The star went through millions of years of energy producing years in those few seconds there, and then it blew up.

[Mars]

Well, keep in mind that little probe the gtva had in the system checking out the sun with the sathani around it sending data back on what was happening to it. They could replicate if they wanted, they certainly don't have the resources for it. I don't really know here, but to get a supernova going don't you have to remove some of the stars mass to ruin the helium hydrogen balance, and then it blows? If sathani were doing that via a subspace field, maybe they were actually like warping some of the stars mass out of the system, the whole star was surrounded by sathani engulfing it in a subspace field. As far as the sathani warping out just before the star blew, you don't need a subspace node to do an in-system jump. I don't know where the sathani were able to go if they did an in-system jump, not like they would get far enough away from the nova. Unless they can actually get far enough away from the nova doing an in-system jump to somewhere else In other words, maybe the shivans pulled another "ross128" out of their asses
Anyways, that's my theory, maybe the shivans did an in-system jump somewhere else, and maybe a star going nova can extend an in-system jump range considerably. So yeah, keywords here, in-system jump style that went "ross128" style.

That's like saying that Victorian era Brits could create an H-bomb after seeing Castle Bravo.

[AlphaOne]

i did not say they would do uit imediatly i sai that they would eventualy do that! And by the looks of thins i man the spped with wich the GTVa is actualy reverse engeniering shivan tech some better then the original some not so good  they will eventualy be able to recreate the conditions of the cappella supernova without actualy having to build 80 jugs.

We all know how fast they adopted the shield tech. and how fast they managed to adapt the flux cannon tech of the lucier and even improve on it. Sure the Sivans managed to do a better job at it but hey they are a thousands of years ahead of the GTVA.

I mean if the GTVA keeps this up in about 50 years time they will be much much closer to the shivan tech then anyone else. I mean we could even presume that they will be almost on equal terms regarding weapons and stuff with the shivans and maibe a little behind them but still they would of closed off much of the huge technological gap between them.

So i ave faith in the GTVA not its commanders who are idiots but the scientists.

Also maibe for once the GTVA will win a god damn war against its enemies.(i'm not inclueding the NTF here).
Oki so there were onli the shivans but still they are quite anoing bastards. whwnerver youre getting all proud of yourself they come in and bust your party. that suck's. Also i have a rather personal problem against the for tryng to blow up such a beutiful ship like the Aquitane. Sure its not much of a ship(in terms of its beam cannons) but its a beutiful ship. I just want the GTVA to get even for once instead of getiing a bloody nose,arms,leg chest,head and well practicly beaten the living dailights out of it!

[Trivial Psychic]

I don't really know here, but to get a supernova going don't you have to remove some of the stars mass to ruin the helium hydrogen balance, and then it blows?

No.  For a supernova to occur, the mass of a star, particularily its core, needs to exceed 1.2 solar masses (IIRC).  Therefore you can do this by either finding a way to add mass to the core of the star, which would need to be made of heavier elements to avoid being flung upwards by thermal expansion, or by stealing energy from the star.  A star is a ballance of gravity which is attempting to compress the star into a smaller and smaller space, and the forces of expansion generated by heat from the thermonuclear reaction.  If you can remove the radiant energy from the star and its core, then the star may collapse in on itself and generate a supernova.  Personally, I think that this second method is the more likely.  The subspace field generated by 80 Saths, was bleeding the star's energy into subspace.  Since the subspace field generated by the Saths had been going on for some time, it also fits (better) with the amount of time the loss of energy would take to have an effect on a star.  This is displayed by the fact that it takes 50 years for radiant energy from our sun to travel from the core of the star where fusion is taking place, to its surface where it is expelled into space.  So every moment the Saths were generating the subspace field, more and more energy was being robbed from the star, until gravity took over with a vengance, forcing the collapse and subsequent supernova.

[karajorma]

That's pretty much the theory I've posted a couple of times in the past (couple of errors in the numbers but that's unimportant). Natural supernovas occur when the star attempts to perform fusion on the iron generated earlier in the star's life. Since that takes in rather than gives out energy the star collapses as a result. If you could remove the energy from the core of a star you could cause it to collapse even if it wasn't a star that would naturally go supernova.

[Mefustae]

What about chucking a Stargate SG-1 and using a wormhole or subspace gateway to bleed mass from the outer layers of a given star until the reactions pushing outward becomes more than the mass pushing inward, would that not also trigger a Supernova event?