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Offline Kie99

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Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
What do you reckon?  Would the GTVA concentrate its resources into making more destroyers and corvettes, or an improved Colossus design, bearing in mind that it would take significantly less than 20 years to build another one.  The Colossus was a success at what it was designed for, crushing rebellions and eliminating destroyers, and any attempt to emulate the Sathanas would fall woefully short with the GTVA's tech level.
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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
You would think that they would, but it would look abit different.
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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
Depends on how much infrastructure was left after the first was built, and whether or not they had others in development at  the time of Capella.  If the yards were already specifically built to produce Colossi and it would be difficult to retool them then i would wager they might continue, though they might improve them with experience.  Especially if they continued to build them after the 1st slid out the yards.  On the other hand the GTVA would have been hurting at the end of Capella and the need for lighter classes probably was drastic.  The need for Destroyers Corvettes and Cruisers t protect GTVA space could definetly put the prospect of another Super Capital ship on the shelf.
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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
NO.


they would build smaller ships with more turrets, since turrets come cheap and they would have more powerful ships.

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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
I think that in order to combat the Shivan threat, the GTVA would keep a Destroyer filled with Meson Bombs in every system, and if Shivans attack, destroy the jump node ASAP.  This would be the only reasonable strategy to stop the Shivans annihilating the GTVA.  Rebellion and the like would be what GTVA ships would be designed to fight.
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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
shivans can use unstable jump nodes, remember? the sathanas got through without a knossos, so why cant more shivans get through? you'd want many powerful ships that require minimal crew (and perhaps even automated ships, or atleast turrets). and they would probably replace blob turrets with something better (FL style ion cannons, fighter weapons, more beams). the fs2 fleet was, after all, the fs1 fleet with streamlining and beams.

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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
The Reason that the FS2 ships have little guns is because they have powerful weapons that Require alot of energy.
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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
one 4th of the collosuss's turrets are beams (counting AAAs), and only 7 (2-5 of which are AAAs) of those ever face the enemy at one time.


and who says these weapons would be powerful on their own? im talking in the category of Kaysers and Maxims.

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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
IMHO its a no go for another Colossus. The GTVA should focus instead in rebuilding its fleet and, instead of Juggernauts, they should build super-destroyers.

 

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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
shivans can use unstable jump nodes, remember? the sathanas got through without a knossos, so why cant more shivans get through?

1. AFAIK, the node stablised...

2. We're talking about COMMAND here...in other words, think of hte worst possible strategy do deal with Capella and there's a 99% chance that's what the GTVA would do....
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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
Why? whats wrong with the Use Alpha 1 (tm) tactic?

 

Offline Kie99

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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
shivans can use unstable jump nodes, remember? the sathanas got through without a knossos, so why cant more shivans get through? you'd want many powerful ships that require minimal crew (and perhaps even automated ships, or atleast turrets). and they would probably replace blob turrets with something better (FL style ion cannons, fighter weapons, more beams). the fs2 fleet was, after all, the fs1 fleet with streamlining and beams.

As far as we know, they can't get through jump nodes that have been destroyed by having a big explosion in them.  That's why the GTVA tried to seal of Capella.

IMHO its a no go for another Colossus. The GTVA should focus instead in rebuilding its fleet and, instead of Juggernauts, they should build super-destroyers.

Building superdestroyers would require design phases, testing, prototyping, for the Colossus that has already been done.
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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
In short no.

The Colossus took 20 years to build and was probably extraordinarily expensive. I don't think the GTVA would try to fight in the same way as the Shivans who obviously outnumber the GTVA considerabley. Taking another 15 years and who knows how much money to build something that was destroyed in minutes would probably not go over well.

Rather I think that specialized ships will appear, not sure what kind. Maybe something like the BWO's Golgotha, destroyers with some sort of Sathanas resistant armor and sexy unitasking beam, some type of meson-bomb equipped bomber.

 

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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
Why would they build more huge, non-maneuverable ships? I think they'd concentrate on more maneuverable capital ships and fighters/bombers now, considering Shivans have those nasty beam cannons, especially on Sathani. Juggernauts and superdestroyers are especially easy prey for them.

 

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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
Just build 30 more Orions.

 

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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
Just make the Hecate worthwhile by giving it subsystem armor and a nice powerful cannon up front, build a better heavy bomber, and mass produce both of them shamelessly

 

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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
Would the GTVA concentrate its resources into making more destroyers and corvettes, or an improved Colossus design, bearing in mind that it would take significantly less than 20 years to build another one.

The Colossus took 20 years to build and was probably extraordinarily expensive. I don't think the GTVA would try to fight in the same way as the Shivans who obviously outnumber the GTVA considerabley. Taking another 15 years and who knows how much money to build something that was destroyed in minutes would probably not go over well.

The first Colossus was a top secret project, that's why it needed 20 years to complete. All GTVA citizens and most members of the military knew nothing about its existance.

Try to imagine a debate at the General Assembly...

"These guys want to know why all their money wasn't used to build up a destroyer"

The construction of the Colossus must have proceeded slowly. The second Colossus would be constructed in about 10 years or less, since every single GTVA citizen would be called to help.

Try to imagine a Post-Capella GTVA, where even civilians know the importance of having a powerful fleet. People would donate their money to contruct a second Colossus!

 

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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
That would be called Strategic Defense Endeavor (SDE). This would mean that taxes would rise, and people would be forced to pay more. All their money would go from welfare and free medical treatment to building more Colossi. What happens? Crime rates and general unhappiness in the fringe systems, such as Procyon, go up, leading to a huge rebellion called the Procyon Confederate Autonomy.

 

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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?
Keep in mind that the Reconstruction era GTVA suffered problems of integrity. It is probable that those problems were caused by taxes.

But everything should be different for the second Colossus. All citizens should know that a warship like that is necessary.

  

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Re: Post Capella, would another Colossus be built?

Building superdestroyers would require design phases, testing, prototyping, for the Colossus that has already been done.

A SD would be far less costly than a Juggernaut and much faster to build, and any new ship requires design phases, testing, prototyping. To make a SD, the GTVA simply needs to downsize a Jug/build a bigger destroyer.


The first Colossus was a top secret project, that's why it needed 20 years to complete. All GTVA citizens and most members of the military knew nothing about its existance.

Try to imagine a debate at the General Assembly...

"These guys want to know why all their money wasn't used to build up a destroyer"

The construction of the Colossus must have proceeded slowly. The second Colossus would be constructed in about 10 years or less, since every single GTVA citizen would be called to help.

Try to imagine a Post-Capella GTVA, where even civilians know the importance of having a powerful fleet. People would donate their money to contruct a second Colossus!

What money? The GTVA just lost a important economic system and the whole fleet, they're in for a serious economic hardship after Capella, and nobody is going to give their money so the GTVA can build warships and go chase shivans.