[Hades]

So...is this another inconsistency? What is the true extent of the GTVA fleet? I'm so confused.

^X2

[Snail]

How is that an inconsistency? Looks more like a typo to me.

[TrashMan]

Nay, it means 3rd Fleet = 3rd Battlegroup

[Vip]

Nay, it means 3rd Fleet = 3rd Battlegroup

Indeed, that's the most plausible explanation. Is it so impossible that they could use the two terms interchangeably ?

ANother theory - the Terrans call them Fleets because of long naval tradition, whereas Vasudans, not having oceans on their planet (or at least I think so...) would naturally not know what a naval fleet is. The term "battlegroup" may be the official one, used for all documents and stuff, whereas Fleet is more coloquial, but accepted by most in the GTVA.

[Snail]

Excellent theory!

[Hades]

Yes it is.(I wanna see a picture with a Vasudan on a U.S. battleship).

[Jeff Vader]

Um, great, but...

didn't we just discuss in the GTA Logo thread about PVN's (Parliamentary Vasudan Navy) logo?
Or am I missing some key element in this thread?

[Vip]

Um, great, but...

didn't we just discuss in the GTA Logo thread about PVN's (Parliamentary Vasudan Navy) logo?
Or am I missing some key element in this thread?

Umm, oops ? Haven't seen that one... Of course we can go and say that terran translators screwed up or just couldn't find a more suitable word. It's surely something like "N'sha'vyrrhst'uuu" and it's Vasudan for "Emperor's official mating squadron of doom". So that the GTA pilots and officers don't die of laughter or disgust, the translators decided to call it "Navy"... Now, where there any opther questions about my perfect theory ?

[Hades]

Yes one, why would they change the name?I think that is how the Vasudans pronounced them selfs.

[Mobius]

But there are Terran battle groups, part of Terran Fleets...or no?

[Vip]

But there are Terran battle groups, part of Terran Fleets...or no?

No, Terran Battlegroup=Terran Fleet. Either a typo by the designers or (look my theory a few posts before)...

[Mobius]

You can't be sure of that statement.

[Vip]

You can't be sure of that statement.

Of course not. If I would be sure, I would have evidence. If I had evidence, it would be considered canon and wouldn't be discussed here. Basically every speculation not connected with in-game stuff is speculation... Being an Ancient Fanboy, you should know that better than the others

[AlphaOne]

If there were Vasudan warships part of terran fleets or viceversa then we would have something more then an experimental terran/vasudan pilot exchange program!

[Mobius]

Of course not. If I would be sure, I would have evidence. If I had evidence, it would be considered canon and wouldn't be discussed here. Basically every speculation not connected with in-game stuff is speculation... Being an Ancient Fanboy, you should know that better than the others

Meh, I was fighting your Limited Minds And Your Limited Imagination^TM in that thread

We can't be sure of this "Fleet or Battlegroup" matter. Let's forget it.

If there were Vasudan warships part of terran fleets or viceversa then we would have something more then an experimental terran/vasudan pilot exchange program!

We know from the Intro and the Colossus cutscene that Terran and Vasudan fleets operate in conjunction and travel together. The officer exchange program is something different since Terran officers are transfered to Vasudan ships and vice versa, so there's more than the classic cooperation, given only by radio transmissions.

[Vip]

Of course not. If I would be sure, I would have evidence. If I had evidence, it would be considered canon and wouldn't be discussed here. Basically every speculation not connected with in-game stuff is speculation... Being an Ancient Fanboy, you should know that better than the others

Meh, I was fighting your Limited Minds And Your Limited Imagination^TM in that thread

Okey, okey, you made your point... I'll try to be more "open" next time. Open ? Freespace Open ? ;D

[AlphaOne]

Well of course they would travel together why wouldnt terran fleets and vasudan battlegroups operato together?? When the need is there for a large asortment of warships you would prefere to have both parties involved they are allies you know.

Also the Colossus fleet is something else since well the colossus wa suposed to spearhead the push towards the victory of the GTVA over the shivans.

When it comes right down to it I can see a Hecate class destroyer acting as command and control carrier providing additional fighter/bommber support to a vasudan destroyer ina  battle also the Hecate's escort orvettes and cruisers at least part of them would join the vasudans fighting up close an personal with the enemy. The Hecate is not really suited for front line action but the Hatshepsut is superbly fitted for that role with better beams better hp !

[Mobius]

No, just open your mind. Don't open...meh, let's change-argument

[MercFox1]

After such a good showing in the "Reasons for a post-FS2 Colossus", I came here looking for an argument to take a side with...

Unfortunately, I'm still looking... 

EDIT: Ah yes, never mind. I can clear this right up.

I'm going to chalk up the mention of the 3rd Battle Group in the tech room to an internal [V] error. No where else in the game is the 3rd Battle Group mentioned, and it would make much more sense to mention the Perseus with respect to a relevant fleet (the 3rd) that Alpha 1 would eventually have under his command. Most everything that matters in FS2 matters to something the player has to do with.

Remember the Suicide Kings? The mission to get Macarthy? Yeah, that was relevant and also over 30 years old.

It would also make sense to figure that since the Aquitane is the flagship of the 3rd Fleet, and since the Psamtik is the flagship of the 13th Battle Group, what's different? They're both destroyers and provide the same level of command and control ability. Their both under the command of Admirals (Khafre and Petrarch). They both house many squadrons of fighters and have led military operations, in both the Nebula and in the NTF campaign. To say that the Vasudan "Battle Group" is smaller than the Terran "Fleet" could just be that of improper nomenclature. To me, there is no difference. They both provide the same level of force, and, depending on how damage the 3rd Fleet takes could actually make them less of a viable operational asset until it can be replenished, swinging this argument completely in reverse!

Besides, it's much easier to determine which species is responsible for what action by the difference in nomenclature. You automatically know the 3rd Fleet is Terran; you automatically know that the Psamtik is from the 13th Battlegroup.

[Fang_Taichou]

After such a good showing in the "Reasons for a post-FS2 Colossus", I came here looking for an argument to take a side with...

Unfortunately, I'm still looking... 

Well I don't think there's any argument about the adaptability of the GTVA.  The speed of technological advancement is impressive, since Terrans and Vasudans have no qualms with stealing technology off the Shivans    (Shivans on the other hand don't go for the technology of their enemies, as the Ancients monologue in FS1 will attest to).