[AlphaOne]

so umm what do you mean??

[Snail]

so umm what do you mean??

He means a star dies in the same way, whether you let it live out its life, warp out its insides elsewhere, cut it in half, throw two at each other, etc.

Bollocks. It doesn't matter how you blow up 10 tons of explosives, it will always make the same bang, wether you use a timed detonator, throw a granade on it or shoot at it with a pistol.
The Shivans induced the supernova but the explosion is an explosion. Fusion is fusion, fission is fission.

A star can do something different depending on the circumstances. It can become a white dwarf or explode in a supernova. That's still 10 tons of explosives, but it explodes differently, doesn't it?

[TrashMan]

The circumstances being mass...then it's not 10 tons of explosives anymore, is it?

[Snail]

The circumstances being mass...then it's not 10 tons of explosives anymore, is it?

Bah.

Karajorma, heeeeeeeeeellp!!!

[AlphaOne]

Yep big K help out a lil' will you!

TMAN you are wrong there is a big difference to how a sun goes away. Hell depending on its mass and stuff it can become a balck hole even or something like that!

[Snail]

I think a star would definitely explode differently if you warped out its insides, fired a resonance torpedo into it, or threw a big planet into it.

[AlphaOne]

Amm agreed its like sayng that smashing a window using a brick a car and a grenade is the same thing ! Well the window gets broken but depending on what you use there is gooing to be a big difference in the suroundings

[TrashMan]

Yep big K help out a lil' will you!

TMAN you are wrong there is a big difference to how a sun goes away. Hell depending on its mass and stuff it can become a balck hole even or something like that!

Sun that has a mass of 1.0 of the Sun and a sun that has a mass of 10.0, or 13.0 of 100.00 of the sun won't end up the same way. The mass affects the gravity and ultimatively it's fate.

BUT...all suns of the same mass will end up the same.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter HOW you trigger a certain physical chain reacton - one triggered it adheres to the laws of physics and will play out as it's meant to play out.

Your window analogy is completely flawed in this respect.

[karajorma]

FUBAR posted a link saying that the nebula gas from a supernova likely cools down in a few weeks.

That makes you wrong then. Your only hope of the Shivans not being able to go back was that it would stay hot. But since you're claiming an explosion is an explosion and the Capella supernova is just like every other supernova I guess that means the Shivans would be fine to go back a couple of weeks/months later.

[TrashMan]

FUBAR posted a link saying that the nebula gas from a supernova likely cools down in a few weeks.

That makes you wrong then. Your only hope of the Shivans not being able to go back was that it would stay hot. But since you're claiming an explosion is an explosion and the Capella supernova is just like every other supernova I guess that means the Shivans would be fine to go back a couple of weeks/months later.

It's not a direct relation, so exactly how fast it cool down is anyones guess.

Assuming a few weeks - that's a lot of time. The shivans can't sty in Capella during that time.
Any shivans IN Capella would get fried, one way or another.

[karajorma]

Says you. I've already explained several ways they could.

[TrashMan]

Oh yeah..tha planar explosion rubbish...What next? You'll try to convince me the moon is made of cheese?

[karajorma]

Actually I was referring to the Shivans simply jumping light-weeks away from Capella and then back again.

Oh and BTW non-spherical supernovae isn't as unbelievable as you may think. But of course you'd know that since you'd have checked NASA's website first, right?

[FUBAR-BDHR]

If you do some searching you will find that a star with the same mass can explode in different ways.  It might even be in those links I posted.  Also a star that is not ready to go nova would not explode in the same way because it is not made up of the same elements.  The abundance of heavy elements and lack of fuel that normally cause the collapse of the star and resulting nova would be totally out of norm.  Wonder if you could really even call it a supernova unless the star was close to the end of it's life anyway. 

Oh and there are photos out there of non symmetrical supernova where most of the matter is expelled to one side of the star.


Another thought on the escape theory.  Since the star collapses under it's own gravity before it explodes could that increase of gravity at the central point right before the explosion set up a worm hole? 

[TrashMan]

Actually I was referring to the Shivans simply jumping light-weeks away from Capella and then back again.

You mean jump inot GD, wait a few week and then jump back in?
Since IIRC, jumping outside of the boundries of a star system is impossible outside of a node. And the edges of a star systems are hardly light-weeks away, more like light-hours or light-days tops, meaning the shivies would still get fried.

Oh and BTW non-spherical supernovae isn't as unbelievable as you may think. But of course you'd know that since you'd have checked NASA's website first, right?

I know it's possible for explosions to direct the major part of their destructive power in one direction.. However, it's never all of it. and even a fraction of a supernovas destructive power would be enough to fry any ship.

[FUBAR-BDHR]

I don't recall anything about not being able to jump outside a system without a node.  The only thing I remember about it was it would take to long with normal jumps.  I'll have to go back and check on that.

[karajorma]

Who's talking about outside the system anyway? Capella H is inside the system. That's why it's called Capella H not some other name. We have no idea if Shivan in-system drives can reach that far.

[FUBAR-BDHR]

OK major point here.  Even thought this is in FS2 we are arguing about it and keep wondering about all the scenarios.

Given human nature if this happened in real life how long would it be before we let that curiosity override our better judgment and take a look to see?

[Snail]

I still think the Shivans used Capella to create a subspace node. They used it to go somewhere else.

[FUBAR-BDHR]

I think most of us would consider that the most probable theory but it's not written in stone.  Even if it was the where is still a mystery.  Shivan home system?  Earth? Another universe?  Suzy's back yard with all those warping Gannys?