[BlackDove]

I'll be anyone you want me to be if you make it stop. It's infecting my brain. Soon, I will lose the capability to spell.

[Marcus Vesper]

I'll be anyone you want me to be if you make it stop. It's infecting my brain. Soon, I will lose the capability to spell.

That would read better as "capacity to spell", or "ability to spell".  It's already started!

[Snail]

I'll be anyone you want me to be if you make it stop. It's infecting my brain. Soon, I will lose the capability to spell.

Will you also lose your ability to make me cry with your evil wisecracks?

[BlackDove]

I just might.

Do it for the wisecracks if for no other reason.

[AlphaOne]

Come on BlackDove i'm giving it my best here . Have a heart or two or as many as you like as long as you want shivan ones .

[TrashMan]

You don't undersand his point:

Stopping the Shivan forces = FAILURE.

Well, according to his point, every single ship designed by terrans and vasudans is a faliure. Not one of them can stop a shivan invasion.

[Admiral_Stones]

K, but im not willed to produce a list with all ship classes included.

[Snail]

Well, according to his point, every single ship designed by terrans and vasudans is a faliure. Not one of them can stop a shivan invasion.

No, because not every single Terran and Vasudan ship was meant to stop the Shivan advance for ever and ever. That was the Colossus' only purpose.

[TrashMan]

The purpose of the Colossus was to stop any shivan invasion force like the one in FS1.

It was designed to stop another Lucifer fleet. Not a sathanas fleet.
You can't design a ship to fight something you don't know exists at all.

[BlackDove]

He's saying it, but he's not getting it.

[Snail]

It was designed to stop a any Shivan invasion force, period. And it failed at that task.

[TrashMan]

 

I wash my hands of you...you're hopeless.

[Desert Tyrant]

I've long maintained that the GTVA really doesn't need a warship larger in size than a Superdestroyer.  A newer class of superdestroyer, capable of killing standard destroyers, but can be produced in more numbers than, oh, 1.

A type of superdestroyer I was trying to come up with was based off of the Hades-class, but with the tower at a 1/4 of the legnth that it was.  The SD would be more cut down in size than the Hades... keep in mind the GTVA would need to accomodate these ships inside a dockyard or a Ganymeade, and would boast long-ranged juggernaunt beams (Same type of overloaded beams that the Collosus used against the Sathanas), two slasher beams, and a lot of AA involving flak and anti-fighter beams.  That's more or less my concept in a nutshell.  (Although it probably wouldn' work, mainally because we don't really know, aside from the tech room that the GTVA still has the plans or the industrial capability to build a Hades, and at any rate it's be a terribly inefficient warship due to its heavy weapon emplacements.  Seriously, they blow.)

[Mika]

I have to say that the thing about Bosch was quite interesting, I never thought it that way. My theory was that an important part of the plot was cut by Volition during the development, which lead to an undeveloped NTF side of the story. But yours is quite consistent I have to say.

Anyways, the thing that killed Colossus was horrible intelligence and colossal (pun intended) failure of the field tacticians contributed only to the idiocy that can only be found in the GTVA's Command. Shivans are like modern mechanized infantry reinforced with tanks, such a force will quickly drive towards enemy territory and destroy everything on its path. Now, considering you were a commanding officer of a GTVA destroyer, and Command gave you an order for direct head-to-head engagement with a Shivan destroyer, would you follow the order, when the first thing that comes to mind is "suicide"? Or would you, perhaps, try to flank and attack the broadside of the Shivan destroyer?

The same thing with Colossus. It cannot be said that the capabilities of Sathanas were not known at that point (GTVA Phoenicia?), so what the hell was Command thinking about and what kind of idiot was the commanding officer of Colossus?

Mika

[BlackDove]

Think about it like this;

The Sathanas came to take the Colossus out. Had Colossus jumped, it would have been followed (the Sathanas obviously wasn't playing "HALLO THAR!", it went specifically for the thing that annoyed it the most.)

Now, had the Colossus have jumped, not only would it bring a Sathanas where command didn't want it (beyond the last line), it would also have lured  it without the Colossus being able to subsequently defeat it (the ship was crippled) assuming it didn't die en-route to the node from which it would jump out of Capella. Quite honestly, I didn't really see any other option for the thing, other than for it to die like the piece of unweildly **** that it was.

[Kazan]

It was designed to stop a any Shivan invasion force, period. And it failed at that task.

it was designed to stop any shivan invasion force consisting of shivan ship classes we encountered in the great war.


It would probably beat a Lucifer

, soon as i'm done working out these "fixes" to Their Finest Hour i'll make a battle-of-endor between a Colossus battlegroup and a Lucifer fleet

[Marcus Vesper]

Just because you have a spiffy new replacement for it that you've been taunting us with for almost a decade, doesn't mean you need to cheapen the death of all those crew members and a genuinely powerful ship.  We can love both!  It's just that, when you get right down to it, we don't HAVE the Golgotha.  Can you really blame us when we root for the Colossus?

[Mika]

Think about it like this;

The Sathanas came to take the Colossus out. Had Colossus jumped, it would have been followed (the Sathanas obviously wasn't playing "HALLO THAR!", it went specifically for the thing that annoyed it the most.)

Now, had the Colossus have jumped, not only would it bring a Sathanas where command didn't want it (beyond the last line), it would also have lured  it without the Colossus being able to subsequently defeat it (the ship was crippled) assuming it didn't die en-route to the node from which it would jump out of Capella. Quite honestly, I didn't really see any other option for the thing, other than for it to die like the piece of unweildly **** that it was.

This is true after it was crippled. But I was referring to situations before that, like where Colossus collides with the NTF Destroyer (head-to-head with a Destroyer while other angles could have been chosen), head-to-head with Sathanas in their first match - not a chance unless you get to shoot first further away (and again other angles could have been chosen). Then the last mission where Colossus is finally destroyed is a total intelligence failure, it even seems the Command was not really interested in keeping a contact with the Shivan force. And why don't the capital ships aim the anti-capital beam turrets first?  It's not like they wouldn't know where Shivan beam cannons are located...

Mika

[TrashMan]

Now, had the Colossus have jumped, not only would it bring a Sathanas where command didn't want it (beyond the last line), it would also have lured  it without the Colossus being able to subsequently defeat it (the ship was crippled) assuming it didn't die en-route to the node from which it would jump out of Capella. Quite honestly, I didn't really see any other option for the thing, other than for it to die like the piece of unweildly **** that it was.

What makes you think the Collie would jump behind the last line? Wouldn't luring the Sath to chase a Collie buy MORE time for the Bastion? (granted, not much time, since it doesn't take THAT long for a ship to turn, jump, end transition and turn again).
Maby the Collie could even make it to the node alive?

[Hades]

It was designed to stop a any Shivan invasion force, period. And it failed at that task.

it was designed to stop any shivan invasion force consisting of shivan ship classes we encountered in the great war.


It would probably beat a Lucifer

, soon as i'm done working out these "fixes" to Their Finest Hour i'll make a battle-of-endor between a Colossus battlegroup and a Lucifer fleet

I agree with that.
Because how could they have known that there were Sathanes?
They only knew of the FS1 ships, and made it to only combat those ships because they thought that those were the only Shivan ships.