[Liberator]

Hmm, I have an idea...

I hearby form the Celtic Liberation Front,  my declared goal is the complete destruction of the United Kingdom and the restoration of the lands of my forbears!  We will also be offering support services to fellow Celts who are displaced in the north and suffer daily under the heavy hand of the damnable Saxon bastards.

See how I can turn it around and make you sound like a creep over something that happened that long ago?

[karajorma]

Turn it around? That's exactly what the Jews did!

In the case of the Palestinians we're talking about living people who may have actually been born in what is now Israel (or the 1st or 2nd generation descendants). In the case of the Jews we're talking about people who didn't live there for nearly 2000 years!

Thanks for showing how blatantly ridiculous any Jewish claim to have a right to Israel prior to the British giving them one really is.

[Mika]

I'm sorry, I thought UK had a far more longer history dealing with IRA than it seems. I thought the conflict was a lot older, but only escalated in 1980s.

What it comes to reason of Falklands war, why did Argentina attempt to annex the islands? My interpretation is simply that UK was seen as a far distant power that was estimated as unable to project enough power or resources to Falklands to attempt the retake. The militaristic factions must see Israel in the same way in order to keep on fighting.

The reason why UK could negotiate with IRA is simply because it was possible to reach a compromise, i.e. UK had something to fall back on. I don't see the same thing possible in Israel as long as the Palestinians do not accept the existance of Israel. That would mean Jews would be driven back to Mediterranean sea, hence my comment of relative dissimilarity of the theaters.

More equivalent thing between UK and IRA would be that IRA would request English people to move back to France and leave the English land area for them. Or at least that is my take of it.

Mika

[TrashMan]

Excepts the palestinians were willing to talk on different terms. Several times.


If I had an Orion destroyer right now, I'd park it in orbit above Israel and demand their uncoditional surrender...or else!

[General Battuta]

That's a bit much.

Letting these problems become emotional (trite as that sounds) is part of what's prolonged this conflict.

[karajorma]

It wasn't much of a fallback position though. All that would have happened would be that instead of the UK being bombed by the Catholics it would have been Ireland being bombed by the Protestants.

Besides I question your assertion that all the Palestinians want is to drive Israel into the sea.

[Mika]

Excepts the palestinians were willing to talk on different terms. Several times.

But I do recall that the Israeli have also been prepared to negotiate with them several times. Also, it is indeed Israeli that have actually tried the diplomatic approach and made concessions towards Palestinian people in the recent years.

Mika

[karajorma]

But I do recall that the Israeli have also been prepared to negotiate with them several times. Also, it is indeed Israeli that have actually tried the diplomatic approach and made concessions towards Palestinian people in the recent years.

And cause they failed that HAS to be the Palestinians fault?

[Mika]

Besides I question your assertion that all the Palestinians want is to drive Israel into the sea.

I don't think I have said that all of them would. Point me where exactly I have stated that all of them would.

For me it seems that the people participating in launching rockets and mortars over the border either get a silent approval from general population, or, that the general population has been scared in to accepting them doing this and thus do not report them to authorities. Authorities could easily be part of this.

I have already said my opinion on how to solve this deadlock. On the other side of the fence, you have a bunch of settlers that need to be watched just as carefully.

Mika

[karajorma]

Besides I question your assertion that all the Palestinians want is to drive Israel into the sea.

I don't think I have said that all of them would. Point me where exactly I have stated that all of them would.

I didn't say you had. Reread that sentence carefully.

[Mika]

Ah the joys of speed-reading English and forgetting one sentence structure...

And cause they failed that HAS to be the Palestinians fault?

Could you please clarify this comment a little more carefully?

Mika

[karajorma]

My point is that the failure of diplomatic efforts in the last few years can not be laid at the feet of either Israel or Palestine. It's the fault of both sides.

[Turambar]

For me it seems that the people participating in launching rockets and mortars over the border either get a silent approval from general population

hell, if someone had bulldozed my house and livelihood in order to "settle" it, I'd silently approve of launching rockets at them too

[Janos]

For me it seems that the people participating in launching rockets and mortars over the border either get a silent approval from general population

hell, if someone had bulldozed my house and livelihood in order to "settle" it, I'd silently approve of launching rockets at them too

hey they don't even bulldoze the houses

they just drive people away and live in their homes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cAeIvbMgFg

"try to avoid awkward situations"

[TrashMan]

That's a bit much.

Letting these problems become emotional (trite as that sounds) is part of what's prolonged this conflict.

Maybe...but if Israel continues to pull crap, I fear I will end up as a anti-semite one day despite my better judgment.

[Scotty]

That's a bit much.

Letting these problems become emotional (trite as that sounds) is part of what's prolonged this conflict.

Maybe...but if Israel continues to pull crap, I fear I will end up as a anti-semite one day despite my better judgment.

So, you're going to hate all Jews... because of one country.  That's just about as stupid as hating all communists because Russia was communist.  I may not agree, but I don't hate them.

[Nuclear1]

Maybe...but if Israel continues to pull crap, I fear I will end up as a anti-semite one day despite my better judgment.

you don't become an anti-semite if you dislike israel

you become anti-israeli if you dislike israel.

you become an anti-semite if you hate all jews

israel != all jews

[NGTM-1R]

I'm sorry, I thought UK had a far more longer history dealing with IRA than it seems. I thought the conflict was a lot older, but only escalated in 1980s.

Technically, you're correct. There is, for example, the Easter Rising around WW1.

[Mika]

My point is that the failure of diplomatic efforts in the last few years can not be laid at the feet of either Israel or Palestine. It's the fault of both sides.

Then explain what is the mistake from Israeli side during the last eight years?
I'm not saying Israel has never done anything wrong, the early 1950s to 1960s appear as extraordinarily dirty to me. But current day, I don't see much things that could have been done otherwise with respect to Gaza and West Bank.

hey they don't even bulldoze the houses

they just drive people away and live in their homes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cAeIvbMgFg

"try to avoid awkward situations"

THAT is one of the things I see wrong from the Israeli side. For all those religious connections, I think UN declared Jerusalem as international land. It was probably never truly ratified, though.

Yeah, an important distinction is that being critical towards Israel does not equal anti-semitism. This kind of connection to silence criticism is used time by time in the media.

Mika

[karajorma]

Then explain what is the mistake from Israeli side during the last eight years?
I'm not saying Israel has never done anything wrong, the early 1950s to 1960s appear as extraordinarily dirty to me. But current day, I don't see much things that could have been done otherwise with respect to Gaza and West Bank.

You're kidding me right?

I've already made the point about a dozen times that it was Israel's side lining of the PLO and Fatah that opened the door for Hamas to be elected.