[MatthTheGeek]

Ash's voice actor was soooo awesomesauce. That's for these kinds of things that I don't play translated games anymore, only original versions. French voice-acting in games and films sucks. As well as the actual translations by the way. When I think people get paid for that...

Original voice-acting rocks.

[General Battuta]

I never liked him very much, largely due to his inability to correctly parse 'Gamma Three-Niner'.

[sigtau]

Judge a person by three words?

Well, then again, we only know him by about a paragraph's worth of text.

[Goober5000]

He was out of breath!  He was so nervous that he had to breathe between words, instead of between sentences.

[mjn.mixael]

Yeah... that scene is absolutely fantastic. Hands down my favorite.

[jr2]

He was out of breath!  He was so nervous that he had to breathe between words, instead of between sentences.

He was likely in shock and hyperventilating, all while being amped up on adrenaline.  From the sounds of it he was a rookie.  Either that or he saw the SD Lucifer and just lost it.

[General Battuta]

Or, the voice actor fumbled the line. His emphasis is kind of weird, like he thinks 'Terran Patrol' is an entity, and 'Wing Gamma' is a sub-entity, and then 'three-niner' is something else. If he were just stumbling or hyperventilating he should have at least clumped 'Terran patrol wing' together.'

Flubbed.

[redsniper]

Awwww hating on Ash, Batty? Really?

[Titan]

But... but... Lt. Ash is awesome!

[Shivan Hunter]

.

Or, the voice actor fumbled the line. His emphasis is kind of weird, like he thinks 'Terran Patrol' is an entity, and 'Wing Gamma' is a sub-entity, and then 'three-niner' is something else. If he were just stumbling or hyperventilating he should have at least clumped 'Terran patrol wing' together.'

Flubbed.

First off, "Wing Gamma" could be seen as a sub-entity of "Terran Patrol". There's a Terran patrol in the area with several wings of fighters- his emphasis in that context makes sense. The (longer) pause between "Wing Gamma" and "Three-niner" could be explained as Lt. Ash trying to catch his breath. Also, saying "Terran patrol wing Gamma" as one large clump doesn't flow as well as "Terran patrol, wing Gamma", especially in the heat of battle.

Second, what we're faced with here is a question of VA error vs. character error.

If it's character error, it's probably because the guy's a complete mess after seeing his entire squadron, a Vasudan squadron, and probably a few cruisers utterly trashed by crazy death-black ships that can't be harmed even if he could hit them through all their lateral-thruster dodging and weaving. I'd mess up a few sentences too.

If it's VA error, it obviously can't be explained by lack of time to think about things or mental condition, but it can be explained by the lack of innate familiarity with the FS universe. I'm not talking about "a 'wing' is so-and-so", I mean, the character (Lt. Ash) has been reporting to superior officers since his induction into the GTVA. There's probably a set standard for exactly how to report exactly which unit he is, and the sequence "Terran patrol wing Gamma three-niner" is not it. Try saying that with no pauses. It just sounds clumsy. But what would you use? We could probably come up with something concise that sounds good, but then again we've all been modding FS for years, and some of us are in the military. For the VA, this was just some role set in a sci-fi universe, and he was going into it without that much experience with the GTA.

Finally, I must disagree with disliking Ash's VA for one flub that may or may not be intentional, and that may or may not even be that grievous an error. The entire intro cutscene creates an atmosphere of suspense and terror, and Lt. Ash's character adds a lot to that. You might disagree, but I think the emoting especially during his interaction with Riviera Station is very well done.

Disliking the VA's entire performance because of it would be like disliking BP as a whole because Sam's VA seemed too 'hammy'. Sure, people can disagree with some of the emoting but overall, Bei's performance as a VA and BP's construction as a FS mod are both very well done, and letting one detail ruin it is a severe case of nitpicking IMO.

btw, I wanna see teh prety grafix... is CB_shiversubkilla near done yet?

[jr2]

[Terran Patrol Wing] , [Gamma Three Niner] ?  Terran Patrol Wing G-39?  Thoughts?

[General Battuta]

That was clearly the intended parse, yes.

[Hades]

I think it was him catching breath because he does the same thing with about the same pause a few more times immediately after the three-niner part.

Also seriously? Not liking a voice actor because of one phrase? That is one of the silliest reasons to hate anything I've ever heard on this forum.

[General Battuta]

It was enough to damage my enjoyment of the scene. The voice actor's job is to play the role in a way that enhances the scene. For this particular viewer, he did not succeed.

That is one of the silliest reasons to hate anything I've ever heard on this forum.

It's always good to hear from an authority on the topic.

[mvmiller12]

[Terran Patrol Wing] , [Gamma Three Niner] ?  Terran Patrol Wing G-39?  Thoughts?

Why is it * obviously * intended to be parsed this way? This way makes much less sense than the way it was said:

[Terran Patrol] From SOL system as opposed to a patrol from somewhere else - i.e. Epsilon Patrol, etc. - OR - Terran as opposed to Vasudan (Less likely as the GTA is all humans)

[Wing Gamma] As opposed to Wings Alpha or Beta.

[Three Niner] Some sort of squadron position or task force designator, I would assume. (I bet there are MANY Wing Gammas out there. . .)

[Snail]

Or, the voice actor fumbled the line. His emphasis is kind of weird, like he thinks 'Terran Patrol' is an entity, and 'Wing Gamma' is a sub-entity, and then 'three-niner' is something else. If he were just stumbling or hyperventilating he should have at least clumped 'Terran patrol wing' together.'

Flubbed.

AND I DON'T LIKE THE ACCENTS OF ALL THE FS2 VOICE ACTORS THEY SUCK

[MatthTheGeek]

You should be more grateful. They're still thousand miles better that the crappy voice translations we have to suffer from, the French people of us

[headdie]

tbh i think the inconsistent delivery adds to the moment.  as discussed Ash has just watched 1-3 of presumably his closest squad mates perish after being ambushed while already engaged in a dogfight.  the ambushers are in unknown ships which they cant track on sensors, are primarily red and black which are fairly deep psychological triggers which imply bad/evil/death, armed with powerful weapons and are seemingly indestructible.  the character barely makes it away from the initial encounter as is obvious from the state of his ship, possibly more out of luck than skill, his copilot is dead/unconscious, he is on his own and until he makes contact with Riviera so has no sounding board for his fears, all he can do is dwell on them, magnifying his fear, scared out of his wits, his natural instinctive panic reaction is battling hard with his military training. 

when he makes contact with Riviera it is with a coms operator that might as well be a drone for all the imagination they use who just initiates standard protocol without considering the information the pilot is trying to relay which is confused, panicked and total nonsense according to what GTA government says ie there are only us and the vasudans out there.  with that in mind you cant fault the coms person.

meanwhile Ash flipping between military officer and scared ****less human depending on which of his emotional responses is more in control tries to relay the necessary information to identify himself clearly and avoid getting shot at as a suspected enemy combatant and pass on the threat he suspects is following him all while getting more exasperated at the coms officers refusal to listen to him and divert from standard operating procedure in recovering  heavily damaged fighter with a pilot who has bottled it.

given all that had to be conveyed in that scene i think both the VA and the cut scene rendering was top class especially given the age it was done in

[sigtau]

tbh i think the inconsistent delivery adds to the moment.  as discussed Ash has just watched 1-3 of presumably his closest squad mates perish after being ambushed while already engaged in a dogfight.  the ambushers are in unknown ships which they cant track on sensors, are primarily red and black which are fairly deep psychological triggers which imply bad/evil/death, armed with powerful weapons and are seemingly indestructible.  the character barely makes it away from the initial encounter as is obvious from the state of his ship, possibly more out of luck than skill, his copilot is dead/unconscious, he is on his own and until he makes contact with Riviera so has no sounding board for his fears, all he can do is dwell on them, magnifying his fear, scared out of his wits, his natural instinctive panic reaction is battling hard with his military training. 

when he makes contact with Riviera it is with a coms operator that might as well be a drone for all the imagination they use who just initiates standard protocol without considering the information the pilot is trying to relay which is confused, panicked and total nonsense according to what GTA government says ie there are only us and the vasudans out there.  with that in mind you cant fault the coms person.

meanwhile Ash flipping between military officer and scared ****less human depending on which of his emotional responses is more in control tries to relay the necessary information to identify himself clearly and avoid getting shot at as a suspected enemy combatant and pass on the threat he suspects is following him all while getting more exasperated at the coms officers refusal to listen to him and divert from standard operating procedure in recovering  heavily damaged fighter with a pilot who has bottled it.

given all that had to be conveyed in that scene i think both the VA and the cut scene rendering was top class especially given the age it was done in

 

[Jeff Vader]

Lt. Ash was cool. And tragic. Good cutscene.

Also, unless someone's going to "upgrade" Lt. Ash, this does not belong to FSU, but rather to GFD, so moved.