[General Battuta]

You should have another poll question about whether you loved or hated the lezbo crap you put in the campaign.

Laporte was originally a male, but for a storyline reason it became very important that she be a woman. By that point it was too late to gender-swap Simms too, so we shrugged and rolled with it.

But as a more specific reaction to your remarks!



People are always going to see things that aren't there. Our goal is to tell a good story. If you were Amish and disliked modern technology, you would probably hate our campaign because it has lasers and spaceships; but there's just nothing we can do about it. It doesn't mean we have a pro-laser, pro-spaceship agenda that we're trying to smash in your face.

oh wait we totally do

[Jellyfish]

No, seriously. Would you reject a million dollars if the one that gave it to you just happens to be homosexual?

[Nehemiah]

What was the reason Laporte had to be a girl?

[General Battuta]

What was the reason Laporte had to be a girl?

It's a formal element relating to the relationship between AoA and WiH.

[Nehemiah]

No, seriously. Would you reject a million dollars if the one that gave it to you just happens to be homosexual?

No I most certainly would not reject it.  Like I said, I may disagree with a viewpoint and a behavior, but I don't approve of hating the person holding those views or practicing those behaviors.

[Nehemiah]

What was the reason Laporte had to be a girl?

It's a formal element relating to the relationship between AoA and WiH.

Remind me what that was again.  You had a male as the protagonist in the first campaign, so you needed to balance it with a female in the second, or what?

[Shivan Hunter]

I must echo the "Haters gonna hate" sentiment. The only problem with the relationship I have is that I generally view romantic subplots as inferior to other subplots, but I'm antisocial so that's probably just me.

The only reason I can think of is the metaphorical one involving the Vishnans referring to the Shivans (the ones who contacted Noemi) as feminine ("Our sisters are coming", SJ Sath = "SHE"). Other than that, there could be a literal plot reason but it's most likely spoilerrific.

[EDIT] jeez you guys are posting fast

[General Battuta]

No, seriously. Would you reject a million dollars if the one that gave it to you just happens to be homosexual?

No I most certainly would not reject it.  Like I said, I may disagree with a viewpoint and a behavior, but I don't approve of hating the person holding those views or practicing those behaviors.

So what exactly are you hung up on then? There's hardly any 'Eastern mysticism' in War in Heaven, and our narrative style tries to be naturalistic and documentary-esque at points, which means we can't pretend gay people don't exist.

I mean Laporte's a psychotic killing machine, surely that's more worthy of concern than her bisexual or homosexuality.

Why not just relax and enjoy the campaign?

What was the reason Laporte had to be a girl?

It's a formal element relating to the relationship between AoA and WiH.

Remind me what that was again.  You had a male as the protagonist in the first campaign, so you needed to balance it with a female in the second, or what?

Not quite, but close. We don't do quotas but we do do symbolism and

Spoiler:

War in Heaven's entire story and character arc is an almost-perfect mirror of AoA.

[Shivan Hunter]

Spoiler:

Noemi's gonna merge with the Shivans like Bei did?!

[EDIT]: Spoiler'd

[General Battuta]

Noemi's gonna merge with the Shivans like Bei did?!

I'm talking about R1. You know we wouldn't drop any spoilers about R2.

[Shivan Hunter]

Oh, OK. You had me going for a second there

[-Norbert-]

Nehemia, while I can understand the points you are making, the way you made them weren't exactly.... tactfull. Using words like garbage and crap is something you might want to avoid if you want to be taken seriously and not mistaken for a troll.

And you don't have to know one bit of Hindu religion. Everything you need to know about Blue Planet is in Blue Planet, either ingame or in the Techroom. The names are just that - names. Wether you call them Vishnan and Shivan or Angels and Devils or Blobs and Blips doesn't change what they are and how they act.

[Dilmah G]

Yeah, okay gents. I think Nehemia's got the general gist of what we're saying.

Nehemia, you're perfectly entitled to holding that opinion.

[Darius]

I think -Nobert- summed it up very nicely. 

[Androgeos Exeunt]

Into the Depths of Hell?
Eternally... respawning... enemies... eternally... they never stop... 'enemy wing has just arrived'... 'enemy wing has just arrived'... 20+ minutes missions... respawning enemies...
*fetal position*

You should have seen what Noise had in store.

[Infamus]

damn, and only 4 and 1/8 of those chapters
 1-4 and 5 ended abruptly

[-Sara-]

Glad that hurtful, aimless conversation is over.

I think I played Into the Depths of Hell previously, I don't think there's campaigns I didn't play with exception of the parody campaigns. And indeed WiH mirrors AoA. Where AoA seemed about preserving (ending the chapters with destruction), WiH seems to be about destroying, perhaps ending the chapter with construction, achievement or choice, which I assume BP3 is about.

[Jellyfish]

You should have seen what Noise had in store.

That doesn't sound bad.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

Try putting each individual chapter into one campaign. It's not that easy.

[Mongoose]

I haven't yet made my probably-uber-long post summing up my feelings about the campaign, but this seemed like a relatively-short way to toss out a few points, so here goes:

Spoiler:

I identify with the Federation
After what we saw during that campaign, I can't see how any rational human can have more than a shred of empathy for the Alliance.  The GTVA are a bunch of invading, lying, manipulative, murderous war criminals, betraying everything that they purported to stand for.  It's my sincere wish that they receive their comeuppance in one form or another.

I used a checkpoint at least once in the campaign
Yeah...a bit more than once.  Some of those showpiece missions were brutal.

I threatened the hostage in M05
I felt like calling the bluff would swiftly end in everyone getting blowed up, so I decided to put a little pressure on that poor little spacesuit inhabitant.  I didn't even intentionally up the ante by flying next to her...I was already sitting there when the directive cleared, so I sort of fell into it by accident.  The choice seemed in-character for Noemi at that point, and it felt like the best way to buy the most time.  I did try replaying the mission in the Tech Room and calling the bluff, but I wound up getting myself killed by accident, and I haven't tried it again since.

I thought Darkest Hour was just right
The first half of my playthrough is a bit of a blur in my memory, so I don't remember any specifically awful difficulty about this mission.  I probably died once or twice, but it wasn't a huge deal.  I wasn't making any sustained attempt to keep the rookies alive, though...I have enough trouble watching out for my own skin.

I killed Xinny and Zero
See below.

I let Xinny and Zero shoot me down
There was no "letting" here...I got my ass royally handed to me the first time through, and I didn't stand a chance against them. After seeing the recommendation text, I decided to give it another shot, and I managed to take them all out.  As the dialogue unfolded, though, I felt like I had been kicked in the gut, and I sort of wish I had stuck with the first outcome.

I found the Simms conversation easy
I decided to go with the direct approach, based on the briefing hints and what I knew of Noemi's personality, and I worked my way through it without a hitch.  I am curious as to how the other paths would have turned out, though.

I found the Nyx dogfight too hard
I didn't so much kill them as fly around afterburning like crazy hoping that someone else would. I did manage to make it through, though.

I understood the pointbuy system in Aristeia
I didn't exactly get what each option entailed when I made the first choice, but I got the gist of it after that.  I had to replay the mission once or twice, so that helped too.  Really cool mechanic.

I thought the Vasudan logistics incident was a terrible accident
My heart fell into my stomach at the way that one turned out.  That situation held such promise, and then that other asshole frigate had to jump in guns a-blazing and destroy it.

I felt good in One Perfect Moment
Beautiful atmosphere, beautiful music, beautiful character development, pretty much beautiful everything.

I was shocked and appalled by the assassination
How low can the GTVA sink?  That low.  Cowardly swine.

I really loved the soundtrack at the end of Pawns
I can't even for the life of me remember what the hell it was, but I know I thought it was awesome.

I thought Delenda Est was too hard
The first minute or two of this mission kicked my ass every single time, even when I finally managed to beat it.  Those first incoming bomber waves were brutal, and the Indus was usually at 50% integrity or lower by the time they were finished.  It didn't help that I really didn't understand how to use Slammers.  If there was some way to tone that attack down a bit, even just a hair, I think it'd help.

I want to kill Admiral Steele
See first answer. I'd have no qualms at all about introducing him to the business end of an Archer.