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Offline 0rph3u5

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Re: Welcome to the Auto-Historian!
Oh, so this was a marketing stunt.

Wasn't it obvious? - I still wonder which project is advertised here....
"As you sought to steal a kingdom for yourself, so must you do again, a thousand times over. For a theft, a true theft, must be practiced to be earned." - The terms of Nyrissa's curse, Pathfinder: Kingmaker

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"I am Curiosity, and I've always wondered what would become of you, here at the end of the world." - The Guide/The Curious Other, Othercide

"When you work with water, you have to know and respect it. When you labour to subdue it, you have to understand that one day it may rise up and turn all your labours into nothing. For what is water, which seeks to make all things level, which has no taste or colour of its own, but a liquid form of Nothing?" - Graham Swift, Waterland

"...because they are not Dragons."

 

Offline Snail

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Re: Welcome to the Auto-Historian!
Wasn't it obvious? - I still wonder which project is advertised here....
I guess it was. I was hoping it was a marketing stunt for something other than what it turned out to be.

 

Offline Shivan Hunter

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Re: Welcome to the Auto-Historian!
yeah well...

Defeated Shivans.

Frakking TAMED BUTLER Shivans.

A complete schism between Terrans and Vasudans.

...

I think you just destroyed every single major theme in FS in one fell swoop.

[EDIT] I think I'll explain to you, whoever's writing this plotline, the gravity of what you've just done.

Freespace 1. Terrans and Vasudans have been warring for 14 years over some complication during negotiations that escalated (or so I can only assume). And yet, when the Shivans arrived, their leaders realized that the original incident and all the hate garnered during the war are not as important as their species' survival. And so they formed an alliance to fight the Shivans... and that alliance prospered. By FS2's time, Terrans and Vasudans have formed a central government and are cooperating beyond anything that could be expected between alien species.

The Shivans have already proven themselves to be an incredibly formidable foe. We escaped destruction during the Great War by only a few minutes, and even then we didn't come out of it unscathed. They destroyed a massive proportion of Terran forces before we even started posing a threat.

Move on to FS2 now. We invade Shivan space beyond the Knossos portal. The Shivans, in return, start decimating our forces once again. It takes the destruction of a destroyer and several supporting warships just to neutralize the Ravana... and then we happen upon the Sath. And when we think that's all over, the Shivans show up with an entire fleet of them. The GTVA loses its state-of-the-art flagship, the Colossus. Yet the Shivans don't try to destroy the GTVA- they settle for causing a star to go supernova.

The Shivans are an extremely deadly, unbeatable foe. But it's not just that. They're truly enigmatic. We have no idea why they do what they do, especially during the Second Shivan War.

Your mod destroys what the Shivans stand for by having the GTVA not only defeat them, but understand them. That's a big no-no in the FS universe.

Your mod also destroys what the GTVA stands for. It's like that ST:TNG episode "Darmok"- the conflict that threatened the very survival of both races caused them to group together, and that alliance lasted and grew stronger during Reconstruction. Somewhere in your mod's universe, FS2's Khonsu II is rolling in his grave.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2010, 05:48:01 pm by Shivan Hunter »

 

Offline Herra Tohtori

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Re: Welcome to the Auto-Historian!
>Rundown of the Gemini Fleet

>Casualties suffered by the Gemini Fleet

>Method of locating the Command Center

>Probability that Shivans aren't just playing possum while their brethren gather a few galaxies worth of more Shivans to come down on your insolent arse like a ton of red and black bricks?
There are three things that last forever: Abort, Retry, Fail - and the greatest of these is Fail.

 

Offline 0rph3u5

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Let's just see how deep this heresy runs...

> Request: Do Shivan historical records exist?
"As you sought to steal a kingdom for yourself, so must you do again, a thousand times over. For a theft, a true theft, must be practiced to be earned." - The terms of Nyrissa's curse, Pathfinder: Kingmaker

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"I am Curiosity, and I've always wondered what would become of you, here at the end of the world." - The Guide/The Curious Other, Othercide

"When you work with water, you have to know and respect it. When you labour to subdue it, you have to understand that one day it may rise up and turn all your labours into nothing. For what is water, which seeks to make all things level, which has no taste or colour of its own, but a liquid form of Nothing?" - Graham Swift, Waterland

"...because they are not Dragons."

 

Offline Scotty

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Re: Welcome to the Auto-Historian!
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Your mod destroys what the Shivans stand for by having the GTVA not only defeat them, but understand them. That's a big no-no in the FS universe.

Your mod also destroys what the GTVA stands for. It's like that ST:TNG episode "Darmok"- the conflict that threatened the very survival of both races caused them to group together, and that alliance lasted and grew stronger during Reconstruction. Somewhere in your mod's universe, FS2's Khonsu II is rolling in his grave.

Now, was this really necessary?  It's his (I think) mod, he can present it how he wants.

> Query:  Recent threats to current Terran government.

 

Offline Shivan Hunter

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Well, he can do what he wants with the FS universe, even if it destroys the foundations on which FS's writing was built. I'm probably not going to play it unless it's damn good in its own right.

I guess it's not objectively bad, but as a FS campaign, it's a plot that shouldn't necessarily be told in the FS universe.

 

Offline Herra Tohtori

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Re: Welcome to the Auto-Historian!
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Your mod destroys what the Shivans stand for by having the GTVA not only defeat them, but understand them. That's a big no-no in the FS universe.

Your mod also destroys what the GTVA stands for. It's like that ST:TNG episode "Darmok"- the conflict that threatened the very survival of both races caused them to group together, and that alliance lasted and grew stronger during Reconstruction. Somewhere in your mod's universe, FS2's Khonsu II is rolling in his grave.

Now, was this really necessary?  It's his (I think) mod, he can present it how he wants.

I have to agree. While I find some elements of the Historian's timeline somewhat unplausible, we haven't heard the whole story and should refrain from making wholesale statements like quoted above.

On further tangent I find Scotty's question about the antagonists in the story after third shivan war an interesting one...
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Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: Welcome to the Auto-Historian!
Query- Piscies class destroyer
Query- What is the reigning the Terran power called?
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- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

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Offline Scotty

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Re: Welcome to the Auto-Historian!
Addendum:  Please include threats both internal and external.

 
Re: Welcome to the Auto-Historian!
>Rundown of the Gemini Fleet

The Gemini fleet consisted of:

12 Pisces Destroyers
30 Odysseus corvettes
40 Aeolus II cruisers
Approximately 1000 fighters and bombers

This represented about a third of the GTVA's available fighting force at the time, and the population of a large city. The fact that the fleet was assembled from fighting front-line forces in less than two weeks, then immediately dispatched, was no less than a strategic and logistical miracle.

>Casualties suffered by the Gemini Fleet

Casualties were very high. By the time a command center was found, Half of the fleet was gone. Another third was lost in the battle to take the command center.

>Method of locating the Command Center

The command center was located using a combination of monitoring Shivan communications and recon using stealth fighters.

>Probability that Shivans aren't just playing possum while their brethren gather a few galaxies worth of more Shivans to come down on your insolent arse like a ton of red and black bricks?

Not impossible, but considered extremely unlikely. This question was raised during the initial debate about the taming, and it was pointed out that any deception by the Shivans made no logical sense. Their capacity was, and still is, more than sufficient to entirely eradicate humanity.

The question of whether other Shivans exist, untamed and unaffected by the virus, has not been resolved. The possibility is certainly there, but no sign of them has been found to date. If any were encountered, Terran strategy would most likely involve using the tamed Shivans against the hostile ones.


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Request service record of Admiral Wolf, last commanding officer of the GTD Galatea.
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> Has there been contact with any living extra-terrestrials besides the Vasudans and Shivans? If so, when and where?
There are no records of any new species contacts since the end of the Third Shivan War. It is presumed that if any advanced civilizations were  present, they must have been destroyed by the Shivans.

Despite this, in recent years there have been a number of unsubstantiated rumors from the newest colony worlds. The stories usually take a form involving the discovery of primitive or semi-primitive artifacts. None of these stories have ever been substantiated, to the great frustration of xenoarcheologists. Trying to trace the rumors has always resulted in a dead end. The most likely case is that there are civilizations out there that have not yet discovered subspace and attracted the attention of the Shivans.


> Request: Do Shivan historical records exist?
No Shivan historical records have ever been found. It is not believed that there are any records to find: their creators never gave the Shivans any urge to record history. All we know about Shivan history is what has been extracted from the minds of individuals, and amounts to little more than a creation mythos. They know that they were made by the Creators, and tasked to purge the galaxy of those who would threaten them.


> Query:  Recent threats to current Terran government.
Addendum:  Please include threats both internal and external.

There have been a few minor border disputes among the new colonies, several of which threaten violence. Tamed Shivans have been dispatched to keep the peace, in many cases over the objections of the colonists. Many of the colonies, especially the older ones founded before the taming of the Shivans, still want nothing to do with the Shivans and resent their presence in any degree.

Official statement from the office of the President:
"At this time, the New Terran Republic does not recognize any credible threat to the future of humanity, except that which comes about through our own internal divisions and strifes. We are using all available assets to ensure the continued safety and prosperity of every Terran citizen and colony."


Query- Pisces class destroyer

The Pisces-class destroyer was designed to be the backbone of the Terran fleet following the Second Shivan Incursion. Specifically, it was designed as an effective counter to ships like the Sathanas juggernaut and Ravana destroyer. The long-range railgun and beam weaponry was a crucial part of the design, but still more critical was a new generation of jump engine allowing greater precision in jump coordinates and shorter spool-up times. The Pisces was designed to engage ships with more powerful weaponry through tactical subspace jumps into a weakly defended area (such as behind a Sathanas), do credible amounts of damage, then jump out again before the target could effectively respond. The Pisces destroyer, and the lightning-attack tactics it facilitated, were crucial to both holding the line during the Third Shivan War and the final Gemini Offensive.


Query- What is the reigning the Terran power called?

After the GTVA was disbanded, Terran governance was reorganized as the New Terran Republic.

 

Offline Retsof

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> Number of life sustaining planets and/or moons.  Terraforming capabilities.  Number of NTR controlled systems.
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Offline Goober5000

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Re: Welcome to the Auto-Historian!
> What is Admiral Petrarch's first name?

  

Offline 0rph3u5

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Re: Welcome to the Auto-Historian!
No Shivan historical records have ever been found. It is not believed that there are any records to find: their creators never gave the Shivans any urge to record history. All we know about Shivan history is what has been extracted from the minds of individuals, and amounts to little more than a creation mythos. They know that they were made by the Creators, and tasked to purge the galaxy of those who would threaten them.

> Is there any solid evidence of the existance of the Creators or is their existance only theorised due to information extracted from the Shivans?
"As you sought to steal a kingdom for yourself, so must you do again, a thousand times over. For a theft, a true theft, must be practiced to be earned." - The terms of Nyrissa's curse, Pathfinder: Kingmaker

==================

"I am Curiosity, and I've always wondered what would become of you, here at the end of the world." - The Guide/The Curious Other, Othercide

"When you work with water, you have to know and respect it. When you labour to subdue it, you have to understand that one day it may rise up and turn all your labours into nothing. For what is water, which seeks to make all things level, which has no taste or colour of its own, but a liquid form of Nothing?" - Graham Swift, Waterland

"...because they are not Dragons."

 
Re: Welcome to the Auto-Historian!
So how powerful were these Pisces destroyers...

> What were the estimated Shivan casualties during the Gemini Offensive? How many Sathanas juggernauts were destroyed?

Also

> What are the current combat statistics for fighters when flown designated as Alpha 1?
« Last Edit: September 26, 2010, 06:59:03 am by Waistless »

 

Offline Sushi

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Re: Welcome to the Auto-Historian!
> Number of life sustaining planets and/or moons.  Terraforming capabilities.  Number of NTR controlled systems.
Terrans currently control over 300 systems directly, and an unknown but much larger number indirectly through the Shivans. Of these, 47 contain life-sustaining planets and moons. 1471 systems have now been at least visited by humans, and 43 new uncolonized systems that have been recently discovered contain "prime" planets capable of supporting humanity with a minimum of terraforming.

Terraforming technology has existed and been used for a century and a half. Nevertheless, it is generally a slow process, requiring several decades of careful planning and execution. Since the Third Shivan War, the preferred method for colonization has been to simply hunt through systems that formerly belonged to the Shivans and select the most habitable planets.

Considering this, it is strange that no sign of other intelligent life has yet been found, except for unsubstantiated rumors of artifacts.

> What is Admiral Petrarch's first name?
James.

> Is there any solid evidence of the existance of the Creators or is their existance only theorised due to information extracted from the Shivans?
No archaeological evidence of the "Creators" of the Shivans has ever been found. However, the Shivans are undeniably a created species, carefully designed for a specific task. The fact that they could be reprogrammed at all using specific communications patterns is the single best evidence for this.



 

Offline Darius

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>What happens to humanity (and zodanity) once the Shivans are absolutely, definitively, no longer a threat?

 

Offline General Battuta

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Re: Welcome to the Auto-Historian!
> Number of life sustaining planets and/or moons.  Terraforming capabilities.  Number of NTR controlled systems.
Terrans currently control over 300 systems directly, and an unknown but much larger number indirectly through the Shivans. Of these, 47 contain life-sustaining planets and moons. 1471 systems have now been at least visited by humans, and 43 new uncolonized systems that have been recently discovered contain "prime" planets capable of supporting humanity with a minimum of terraforming.

Terraforming technology has existed and been used for a century and a half. Nevertheless, it is generally a slow process, requiring several decades of careful planning and execution. Since the Third Shivan War, the preferred method for colonization has been to simply hunt through systems that formerly belonged to the Shivans and select the most habitable planets.

Considering this, it is strange that no sign of other intelligent life has yet been found, except for unsubstantiated rumors of artifacts.

> What is Admiral Petrarch's first name?
James.

> Is there any solid evidence of the existance of the Creators or is their existance only theorised due to information extracted from the Shivans?
No archaeological evidence of the "Creators" of the Shivans has ever been found. However, the Shivans are undeniably a created species, carefully designed for a specific task. The fact that they could be reprogrammed at all using specific communications patterns is the single best evidence for this.

Well I guess it's now clear that this is the Sushistorian.

 

Offline Jeff Vader

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I'd also say this is more of a fanfiction thing. But, imho imho.
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14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

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01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
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Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: Welcome to the Auto-Historian!
* Dekker hugs Sushu.


I thoroughly enjoyed this topic til you RUINED the magic.

 :nervous:
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

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