[Droid803]

Oh right.
Maybe that's why it was good in FSPort. Avengers were actually good.

[Kolgena]

I always found it kind of odd that the bombers have double turrets yet shoot only 1 bolt at a time.

[Mars]

Higher the difficulty, better your own turret will be as well. And I agree Kolgena

[Commander Zane]

Now that's what I'm talking about! I'll be flying this any chance I get where a mission doesn't let me use the Helios.

[FreeSpaceFreak]

Judging by the in-game shots, the canopy frame could do with somewhat less saturation, to closer match the hull colour - it really sticks out as-is.

[mjn.mixael]

I dunno, I like the contrast.

[Commander Zane]

I dunno. If hell was breaking loose over missile bay scorching, then the canopy frame should match the rest of the hull like Retail.
Plus the contrast doesn't really look that good. Maybe if it was less dramatic of a difference it would be okay, but as it is, it should simply just be changed to the green-grey.

[headdie]

I dunno. If hell was breaking loose over missile bay scorching, then the canopy frame should match the rest of the hull like Retail.
Plus the contrast doesn't really look that good. Maybe if it was less dramatic of a difference it would be okay, but as it is, it should simply just be changed to the green-grey.

I disagree, my personal thought is the scorching on the missile bays is from missile exhaust so it would be limited to the surrounds of the bays

[Asteroth]

Yeah that brown color doesn't fit in at all.

[mjn.mixael]

gah.. you people are so finicky...

[MatthTheGeek]

That's called constructive criticism dear sir. Also, the cables are too thick.

[Commander Zane]

gah.. you people are so finicky...

I'm simply pointing out the detail that would make the more anal Retailist blow gaskets before they take notice and cause a five-page rant over it.

[mjn.mixael]

That's called constructive criticism dear sir. Also, the cables are too thick.

 

It's not really constructive if the justification is basically that it's not like retail... I want it noted that when it comes to FSU upgrades/changes, I definitely err on the conservative side of things. But so often the criticisms are about things that are so meaningless (like the cables being too thick). Often the modding artist has a good stylistic justification for whatever they did and people poo all over it because it's not like retail. This just rips the creative freedoms right out from under the artist.

Now I know I'm simply inferring here because it wasn't specifically stated. If I'm wrong, my bad. The cockpit metal being redish does fit the color scheme because reds go well with greens (See color wheel) and there is already red on the Medusa engines. It makes stylistic sense to me to continue that scheme all the way forward on the design. Design and stylistically it makes sense. I'm inferring (since no justification was given) that the distaste for the red is because it wasn't that way on retail.

But I guess if I'm going to take my own advice, the color of the cockpit metal makes such a small difference that I don't care anymore.

[Kolgena]

If pictures are posted, and feedback is wanted from these forums, you'll be getting lots of opinions from people who started loving this game a decade ago. That means that lots of us will be resistant to changes from retail to that are not obvious improvements, simply because it detracts from the nostalgia factor.

Whether the artist listens to any of the advice is their choice alone. You've said so yourself before, mjn, and that's fair and makes sense. I do mind when asset creators get bitter from negative responses and nitpick criticisms though, since it almost feels like they're implying "I want to hear feedback, but nothing that disagrees with what I already believe".

(Also, I vote we make the canopy grey instead of brown. The celebration pics thread did sort of make that part stick out more than I'd like)

[mjn.mixael]

If we always look at art through nostalgia glasses, then I vote we have more music videos like this.

[Zacam]

I like the distinguishment. It's subtle and effective. It could be worse by being even less subtle. I spend a lot of time looking at air frames from airplanes to helo's (Cobra, Apache style) and I like the subtle difference that even a change in material can make even when the same coat of paint is applied to the surface.

I'd say leave it as it is currently, as it is an easy of enough change to make before (or after) it goes "Final" that concentrating on making all the other other areas "work" is much more important in my opinion. We can later hold a poll with some shots for folks to vote on.

So, moving on. Awesome work being done here.

[Commander Zane]

I'll have to disagree again with the current color, pointing something out with the current fighters / bombers and how they also have either the exact same color on the canopy frame as the primary color of the hull, or a darker color of the primary, this being on the Hercules. The Artemis is an exception with black struts against the white hull, the D.H. of course has the dark green. The Pegasus has grey against black, but I think I read the texture itself needed some more improvement, not 100% on that detail.
But all-in-all, all the other HTL Strike Craft went with no changes in how the framing was textured in comparison to the hull's primary, so why start now?

[Zacam]

I found the image in "A Celebration" thread, and the colouration there is much more pronounced than the colouration present in Sab's above provided shots. So, if you are referring to the Celebration thread images, -that- likely will not be the final product, but you should/might/may see something more closer to Sab's earlier posted image.

And again, it's not like this is "Done" yet any way. So let's just see how things develop and we put a test model out there and see how it goes.

And I for one, while I don't suggest that we blatantly make it obvious the separation of canopy and hull demarcation, would like to see some form of subtle difference to mark that difference to some degree. It conveys an element that I can't quite place but rather like.

[Commander Zane]

but you should/might/may see something more closer to Sab's earlier posted image.

I looked at that image again to double check and I can see what you mean.

[Mobius]

Please upload those pics here!