[General Battuta]

They were pulled back, slapped into dock, and examined component by component for a period of at least a few months.

[MatthTheGeek]

And then probably reaffected somewhere as far from Sol as possible, or the whole battlegroup might have been disbanded and ships reaffected to separate fleets. I mean, a large proportion of the 14th battlegroup defected even before starting the hostilities with the UEF, and the others were under significant mutiny when they finally retreated to Delta Serpentis, and that despite the fact the commanders and the crew were chosen among the more loyal of the GTVA. I'd expect Command to not take any more chances with them.

[Destiny]

Guess they were posted to the Vega or Epsilon Pegasi to wait for Shivans to come through the nodes again. *giggle* But yeah, having gone through that ordeal in that universe, then having to deal with Earth. The UEF must've used a lot of stuff from the Solace in that secret project.

[General Battuta]

The crews and commanders of the 14th's ships were probably swapped out.

[Buckshee Rounds]

Just how rare are the Titan and Raynor classes? I can't see the Orestes and Temeraire not seeing action in Sol if they're the only other ships of their type, they're far too effective to leave lying around...unless they're still getting restocked with crew and fighters of course.

[Scotty]

I'd put a rough guess at three or four of each.  Two seems too low, since I personally doubt that ALL of them would have been deployed to Sol during the war, but they're also presumably pretty damned expensive, so five or six each (considering the Word of God on destroyer numbers) is equally odd.

[MatthTheGeek]

2-3 is probably a reasonable estimate. I'd expect the Tevs to have focused on corvette classes rather than destroyers with the few money they had left after the Sol portal and the researches on the threat emergency initiative.

[Buckshee Rounds]

Are Hecates still in production? I know they're not the best, especially in ship combat, but as a carrier they seem to get the job done pretty well. I mean they are getting on a bit but IIRC Orions were still being built during FS2 and they were thirty plus years old by then.

[The E]

We know of 2 Titans and 2 Raynors. There may be one more of each; but yeah, Raynors and Titans are rather expensive, and we figure that they are too new for there to be many more. For information, the Atreus was the first ship of the Raynor class, the Orestes was the second.

Are Hecates still in production? I know they're not the best, especially in ship combat, but as a carrier they seem to get the job done pretty well. I mean they are getting on a bit but IIRC Orions were still being built during FS2 and they were thirty plus years old by then.

No, they're not in production anymore. Basically, the GTVA is slowly replacing or mothballing Hecates as Titans and Raynors come online, with Hecates being relegated to second-line carriers.

[Snail]

Did the "two dozen" figure given in Post Meridian ("I can't believe the Tevs have two dozen of these!" or sth like that) refer to Tev destroyers in general?

[General Battuta]

Ambiguous! (probably just hecates)

[Snail]

wat 24 hecates srsly wtf

[General Battuta]

Well I dunno I'd have to ask someone

[MatthTheGeek]

It's more or less generally assumed it refers to desties in general. Given the proportion of Raynors, Titans and Orions in service, the total number of desties wouldn't go much higher than 30 if it was only about the Hecates anyway.

We know of 2 Titans and 2 Raynors. There may be one more of each; but yeah, Raynors and Titans are rather expensive, and we figure that they are too new for there to be many more. For information, the Atreus was the first ship of the Raynor class, the Orestes was the second.

Are Hecates still in production? I know they're not the best, especially in ship combat, but as a carrier they seem to get the job done pretty well. I mean they are getting on a bit but IIRC Orions were still being built during FS2 and they were thirty plus years old by then.

No, they're not in production anymore. Basically, the GTVA is slowly replacing or mothballing Hecates as Titans and Raynors come online, with Hecates being relegated to second-line carriers.

This is why the GTVA can't afford to loose destroyers. Since they stopped building Hecates, and replaced them with Raynor and Titans, so expensive and long to build, a lost destroyer might take years to replace. That is of, of course, not taking into account the loss of crew, the blow to morale and all that goes with it.

[crizza]

So...the Orestes and Temaraire are being examined piece by piece, system by system...let's say...6 month?
Training of two completly new crews...well...
In you serve nine month in the Bundeswehr...so i guess...one year for the normal desroyer crew...officers will be simply draft picked from other destroyers...or the crews of ships reaching the end of their lifetime will be transfered.

So...on one hand, Steeles possibilitys of warfare would greatly increase with another Raynor and Titan...but on the other hand...he's not the guy having onother Raynor-class in system stealing him possible victories...
Please excuse my bad english.

[Mars]

I actually assumed they were talking about Hecates only, but I may have been wrong. Also the UEF or even just Laporte might not even have decent numbers as far as the size of the GTVA armada.

If I was admiral Calder, I wouldn't want everyone in the UEF to know that the Tevs have 5 times the force they're crushing us with. I especially wouldn't want them to know that they had a 3 sets of the new stuff.

So...the Orestes and Temaraire are being examined piece by piece, system by system. . . for let's say. . . 6 month?
Training of two completly new crews...well...
In you serve nine month in the Bundeswehr...so i guess...one year for the normal desroyer crew...officers will be simply draft picked from other destroyers...or the crews of ships reaching the end of their lifetime will be transfered.

So...on one hand, Steele's chances of winning would greatly increase with another Raynor and Titan. . . but on the other hand. . . he's not the guy having another Raynor-class in system stealing him possible victories...

I believe the one thing that the GTVA isn't lacking is well trained personnel. I'm guessing there are masses of officers from cruisers, corvettes, squadrons, or even non-combatant craft FIGHTING to gain command of the Orestes, and that the crew members working on say, reactor systems, could be drafted in from working on cruisers or corvettes, or even decommissioned Hecates.

I think that Sevaranti - if given a Raynor, would probably have not succeeded just as badly. Steele's not winning because he has a Raynor (although it helps) he's winning because he's using the capabilities of every ship and commander in his fleet to destroy things. The Carthage has twice the survivability under Federal fire than a Hecate? Use it as bait. The Impieriuse can destroy a Karuna in one salvo? Use it as the trap.


Speaking of what can destroy a Karuna in one shot -  a Bellerophon and a Hyperion cruiser, two Chimeras, a Chimera and three Hyperions, and 3 Hecates. Obviously the Serkr configuration would work as well.

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Those numbers are around about how I imagined the Galactic Terran destroyer strength to be by the time of AoA. Good call

W00t! Battuta filled me in on a rough number, only thing I really had to guess at was the number of Orions and if there were any more new destroyers. 

[The E]

So...the Orestes and Temaraire are being examined piece by piece, system by system...let's say...6 month?
Training of two completly new crews...well...
In you serve nine month in the Bundeswehr...so i guess...one year for the normal desroyer crew...officers will be simply draft picked from other destroyers...or the crews of ships reaching the end of their lifetime will be transfered.

Wrong. The GTVA has enough career service personnel to build new crew complements easily; and I don't think it has compulsory service.

So...on one hand, Steeles possibilitys of warfare would greatly increase with another Raynor and Titan...but on the other hand...he's not the guy having onother Raynor-class in system stealing him possible victories...
Please excuse my bad english.

Steele would be the very last person to say no to another Raynor or Titan. The problem is that neither the Temeraire nor the Orestes are available at the moment.

[Destiny]

For information, the Atreus was the first ship of the Raynor class, the Orestes was the second.

Hmm, so the GTVA doesn't name the first ship of the class the GTD Raynor? I see...

[crizza]

Raynor is a homage to Starcraft;)
Perhaps in BP2, someone can drop something like Admiral ...Raynor?
Would explain it.

[SpardaSon21]

I'd like the reasoning for the name to reference James Raynor somehow, even if it is only a sideways reference.  The ship already is a reference to his Vulture, so it needs to go full circle.