[General Battuta]

You literally have no idea about this, you just made that up. You have no evidence whatsoever and no grounds to make a statistical claim about majorities and minorities. Anal can be fun and easy and doesn't have to be painful. Swallowing semen isn't any different than licking a ****. It tastes funny, you get used to it.

The physical equipment doesn't differ that much. I would wager that 95% of women (and heck, men) would enjoy skillfully done anal.

For perspective, by far the most commonly reported sex fantasy among women is the rape fantasy. This doesn't mean women want to be raped, but it should give you some insight into the fact that women are just about as voracious and ****ed up as men are, they're just taught to be quieter about it.

From my experience it's kind of like ice cream. Some people like vanilla, some chocolate, some hate strawberry... others don't even want to try hazelnut.

Anyways... as long as both partners trust each other and actually want to give pleasure as much as  receive it exploration of what both actually do enjoy is usually fun.


Luis Dias appears to not only have a very narrow view of porn, but of sexuality in general.

I agree with everything in this post!

[Nuclear1]

From my experience it's kind of like ice cream. Some people like vanilla, some chocolate, some hate strawberry... others don't even want to try hazelnut.

Anyways... as long as both partners trust each other and actually want to give pleasure as much as  receive it exploration of what both actually do enjoy is usually fun.


Luis Dias appears to not only have a very narrow view of porn, but of sexuality in general.

And some are lactose-intolerant. 

But yes,  I agree with this post.

[Luis Dias]

It's true that *some* women may feel pleasure at the germane activity of inoculating semen through their oral orifice. It's also true there are women who like anal, who like all the physical abuse men can imagine putting them through.

They are not, by far, the majority of them.

You literally have no idea about this, you just made that up. You have no evidence whatsoever and no grounds to make a statistical claim about majorities and minorities. Anal can be fun and easy and doesn't have to be painful. Swallowing semen isn't any different than licking a ****. It tastes funny, you get used to it.

I talk a lot. Most women I know are disgusted by it, by the very thought of it. I have no "peer-review paper" about this, but it seems obvious to me that since the feedback is not female, but male fantasy, even if it tasted really bad it wouldn't matter, they would drink it just the same. And that feeling pervades all the movies out there.

The physical equipment doesn't differ that much. I would wager that 95% of women (and heck, men) would enjoy skillfully done anal.

Hehe, nice. Chastise me for pulling statistics out of thin hair, and then this. I would wager a lot, lot less than that.

For perspective, by far the most commonly reported sex fantasy among women is the rape fantasy. This doesn't mean women want to be raped, but it should give you some insight into the fact that women are just about as voracious and ****ed up as men are, they're just taught to be quieter about it.

This is meaningless, apart from the genetic rationale I was trying to initiate. There are good reasons one could pull out of thin air, but then make a good scientific case about it, that women are genetically inclined to alpha males, and to submission. This gets tricky in all the possible iterations, but there's a case there to be made in terms of adaptive darwinian behavior, etc.

Anyways, if your reference point is the animality of it, and how women "like" to be degraded to submission, etc., then you are already conceding, in part, my point. It doesn't matter if there is a darwinian, natural reason for this "degradation" or not, just that it exists and porn expresses it.

Mind you, equalitarianism is an ideology that bases itself in surpassing these "natural" barriers and create a world where natural differences do not matter no more (and humans become "supernatural"). Thus, if you justify some kind of cultural point with the naturality of it, you're doing a step backwards, not forwards (Nature, for all we know, may well be mysoginistic).

The reason you can't list them is because you don't know what they are. These alleged genetic reasons are actually mostly smug patriarchal fantasies that get demolished when you learn anything real about evolutionary psychology, instead of just swallowing the horse**** they give you.

Bull****. This is so blatantly obvious. The fact that women need to protect their sexuality directly stems from the fact that she carries the burden of childbirth and can only give birth to one child for a year, needs extra protection while at it, and needs careful attention and support thereafter. The fact that men are "stereotypically" macho men directly stems from the fact that more distributed sperm will increase the chances that his genes get reproduced all around the place.

Apart from these basic concepts one can derive pretty easy, and given all the sufficient caveats due to what I mentioned as hard "iterations", I do not trust "evolutionary psychology" papers *at all*, they are mostly trash talk disguised as science. People should be ashamed to publish such amount of nonsense without any kind of empirical back up.

We have no ability right now to precisely separate the biology of sexual behaviors from the cultural. Hypotheses have been advanced that women are biologically hardwired for group sex with multiple male partners, whereas men are hardwired to be aroused by watching women have sex with other men. But these hypotheses are unfalsifiable and should be treated as such.

Sure, that much seems quite true.

Basically the takeaway here is that you are a virgin. Once you get into a loving relationship you will hopefully have a chance to explore a bit and become a bit more comfortable with sexuality. I'm also detecting the residue of a religious upbringing here, I think?

Hey "out-of-yourself" god, try again. I'm a father of three and quite happy with my sexual relationship. See how wrong you can be? I mean, about mostly everything

[Luis Dias]

If you are making a statistical argument you need to cite sources. You do not.

WHAT? Do you even understand the meaning of "statistical argument"? Should I spell it out better for you? It's synonymous with "LOGICAL ARGUMENT".

You are just making some wierd claims.
If what you are say is true, then i must be a statistical anamoly because none of the women i have been with conform to your (from my perspective very narrow and prudish) view of women even in the tiniest bit.
(Heck i even had a girlfriend once who used to send me porn as part of well... i guess you could call it fore-fore-play LOL. Very tasteful videos though, all of them.)

I've seen porn videos with my girl too. What's your point?

What you do not seem to get is that "giving pleasure" can be just as fun and satisfying as receiving. That's the basis of a healthy sexual relationship as i understand it anyways.

Of course I don't understand that. /sarc

[Mikes]

WHAT? Do you even understand the meaning of "statistical argument"? Should I spell it out better for you? It's synonymous with "LOGICAL ARGUMENT".

...  an argument based on statistics requires studies and therefore sources.

Frankly, I'd say by now you have contradicted yourself so much that you might want to be more careful with the use of the word "logic".

Care to read over your latest couple of posts again or do i really need to list each logical flaw?


And for the record: Logic != Statistics.

[Luis Dias]

I know you don't like porn because you are scared by it.

You keep pulling this act with me Battuta, it's getting old and stupid.

Mostly because it's always wrong. I mean, I wouldn't mind a little mind**** on your part, if that would at least be useful for me or something. But it isn't. It's just bland. Boring. And quite irritatingly snobbish.

The acts depicted seem unfamiliar and dirty. But the bigger issue you identify (and one I agree with) is mostly that it's just pretty boring and mechanical.

That. I don't mind the kinkiness. I really don't. The fact is, it's heavily biased towards one side (Which is MY point and not any other), and it's mechanically boring. There is no fiction to the kinkiness or to the "standard". There is no fantasy, apart from the idiot costumes. Humanity is totally absent in it.

[General Battuta]

I talk a lot. Most women I know are disgusted by it, by the very thought of it. I have no "peer-review paper" about this, but it seems obvious to me that since the feedback is not female, but male fantasy, even if it tasted really bad it wouldn't matter, they would drink it just the same. And that feeling pervades all the movies out there.

Meaningless. Sampling bias. ****s can taste pretty weird sometimes, that doesn't stop you. If you're hung up on the idea of drinking semen that's pretty weird. Get a girl to give you a blowjob and then spit it into your mouth, try it, see if you hate it.

Bull****. This is so blatantly obvious. The fact that women need to protect their sexuality directly stems from the fact that she carries the burden of childbirth and can only give birth to one child for a year, needs extra protection while at it, and needs careful attention and support thereafter. The fact that men are "stereotypically" macho men directly stems from the fact that more distributed sperm will increase the chances that his genes get reproduced all around the place.

This is one of the great myths of our time, but right in your next paragraph you explain the very reason you shouldn't believe it:

Apart from these basic concepts one can derive pretty easy, and given all the sufficient caveats due to what I mentioned as hard "iterations", I do not trust "evolutionary psychology" papers *at all*, they are mostly trash talk disguised as science. People should be ashamed to publish such amount of nonsense without any kind of empirical back up.

You've been suckered by a myth. Let's dissect it.

Bull****. This is so blatantly obvious. The fact that women need to protect their sexuality directly stems from the fact that she carries the burden of childbirth and can only give birth to one child for a year, needs extra protection while at it, and needs careful attention and support thereafter.

This is a strong incentive for female promiscuity. There's a mechanism called sperm competition which incentivizes women to mate with multiple partners in rapid succession so they get the best quality offspring. They can also draw in multiple fathers to support their children.

The fact that females carry the large ova provides the biological incentive for them to be what we so derisively term sluts. This is true not just in humans but in many species, but it may be especially true in humans - there's some evidence for a bonobo-like sexual structure in early human social groups.

The fact that men are "stereotypically" macho men directly stems from the fact that more distributed sperm will increase the chances that his genes get reproduced all around the place.

Folk logic, but unfortunately it doesn't hold up. 'Spreading the seed' is a tactic that can pay off, but it's not the only one. In actuality, fitness (what you call 'the chances that his genes get reproduced all around the place') is as much tied to traits we associate with fey, gay, effeminate men as we do with hairy alphas.

Like I've said, if you're going to play in the deep end, you need to learn to swim. And that means learning the science on this topic before you discuss it.

You're making two separate arguments here. One is that porn is boring and mechanical, which I agree with. The other is that acts like anal, facials, gangbangs and so on are inherently degrading things which no women can enjoy. This is a pretty misogynistic argument which stems from a fear of female sexuality.

Like I said, once you're in a loving comfortable relationship that allows you to explore these things, you'll learn to shed the fears involved and to treat sex behaviors like flavors of ice cream. It doesn't mean you need to start getting pegged in the ass, but it also means you can stop going into moral panic mode every time you think about a woman enjoying anal.

[General Battuta]

If you are making a statistical argument you need to cite sources. You do not.

WHAT? Do you even understand the meaning of "statistical argument"? Should I spell it out better for you? It's synonymous with "LOGICAL ARGUMENT".

Um, I wonder if you're having English language difficulties. Statistical arguments and logical arguments are completely different. A statistical argument is based on data gathered empirically. A logical argument is based on derivation from first principles using established rules.

You might not want to yell until you've learned the language you're yelling in.

I've seen porn videos with my girl too. What's your point?

You actually are a virgin teen, aren't you? That is rough. We've all been there but I don't think it's the best place to make arguments about sexuality from.

[Nuclear1]

Chill out guys...

[General Battuta]

Chill out guys...

But this is my favorite part :colbert:

[Mikes]

On an related unrelated note.... erh... well anyways....

The most disgusting depiction of sexual activity on film that i have actually seen was not in a porn movie, but in a regular movie: More specifically, it was the rape scene in Stieg Larssons "The girl with the Dragon Tattoo". It was one of the few scenes that i saw in my life that actually made me experience physical sickness just by watching it. (And it didn't even feature explicit nudity.)


I realize that there is certainly much more disgusting porn out there somewhere...   but I'd say with porn and its different niches it's much easier to avoid watching what you do not want to watch than it is when something so digusting sneaks up on you in a mainstream movie.

[General Battuta]

On an related unrelated note.... erh... well anyways....

The most disgusting depiction of sexual activity on film that i have actually seen was not in a porn movie, but in a regular movie: More specifically, it was the rape scene in Stieg Larssons "The girl with the Dragon Tattoo". It was one of the view scenes that i saw in my life that actually made me experience physical sickness just by watching it. (And it didn't even feature explicit nudity.)

Yeah that was definitely disturbing, both in the book and the movie.

[NGTM-1R]

Quoting in thread that's not littered with other crap.

To bring it waaaay back to like page one, people go gaga over romance novels, and I can't imagine something like that shot as video wouldn't sell.

Weirdly enough, this is apparently the thinking behind the direction of most lesbian scenes these days. They attempt to make it seem...tender, I guess? It's not always easy to say with actors this bad. (I also gather they're somewhat less likely to devolve into living hell for the actors, so they're easier to shoot.)

[Suongadon]

As a long time connoisseur of lesbian porn, I've gotta object... sort of. The attempted-tenderness-girly-girl-time is nothing new, it faded out of studio production for a few years and then the amateurish stuff such as *redacted* and *redacted* became popular (or at least they made money and so forth) so they're bringing it back.

And on the final note, everything that makes regular sexy penis-laden porn uncomfortable/livinghellish is still present in a lesbian scene. The painfully bright lights, the awkward director saying do this, do that, the weird guy that keeps touching himself while holding the camera and whispering*, the strange positions which are a lot harder to hold than they seem, the "I need to pee", "I need a drink", "ow, you poked me in the eye", "hold on, your makeup is running, touchup time", the random ass philosophical discussions the director gets into with the guests while the other girl pinches your nipples, the 'Oh, that was great, do it exactly the same as last time, just this time we'll have a camera a foot to the right"x4, and of course, the cold ass floor/counter top/sink, because its California and air con has to be on constantly and set to 45 degrees. 

*kidding, they get fired.

[General Battuta]

****, I wish we had rep on this forum, I would mad plus you.

[NGTM-1R]

As a long time connoisseur of lesbian porn, I've gotta object... sort of. The attempted-tenderness-girly-girl-time is nothing new, it faded out of studio production for a few years and then the amateurish stuff such as *redacted* and *redacted* became popular (or at least they made money and so forth) so they're bringing it back.

I will bow to your longer-term involvement in this area. (Amusingly enough, the other female watchers of it I know complain about the shift.)

And on the final note, everything that makes regular sexy penis-laden porn uncomfortable/livinghellish is still present in a lesbian scene.

What was specifically cited to me was that (most of the time) nobody ends up terribly sore or otherwise in pain with twenty more shots to go. Maybe five instead. Then again, my source worked Europe, so maybe they have different standards.

[Suongadon]

What was specifically cited to me was that (most of the time) nobody ends up terribly sore or otherwise in pain with twenty more shots to go. Maybe five instead. Then again, my source worked Europe, so maybe they have different standards.

Could be. Personally those I've talked to prefer an aching vulvasaurus to a sore back, sore knees and feet in desperate need of an oil bath. Granted, that could just be a matter of being used to the one rather than the others.

****, I wish we had rep on this forum, I would mad plus you.

Mmmm... sexual innuendo. 

[Nuclear1]

****, I wish we had rep on this forum, I would mad plus you.

You're going to have to buy dinner first.

[General Battuta]

Hey, don't go gendering this conversation with your patriarchal notions of courtship

[Nuke]

Yeah, gay porn is a good example. It's ironic that lesbian porn is classified as straight porn, though I guess a lot of it is specifically shot to titillate men.

you make a good point here, its amazing what kind of stuff gets called straight porn. for example shemales. waste up its a chick, but genetically its a man complete with pecker. its not their presence but the fact that they are almost 100% of the time with a guy. just do a search on |REDACTED| for girl on shemale (and if it existed it would probably be pretty cool) and you wont get a single hit (well maybe a couple), but just punch in shemale and you will get loads of videos of guys boning shemales. how can it be called straight porn if both partners have penises? 

guys masturbating. seriously, why is this classified as straight porn. sure it could be called straight since hes not taking it up the back end, but seriously, this belongs somewhere completely different.

as a guy i like lesbian porn. but by definition its not straight porn. it might be porn for guys and lesbians, but it certainly doesn't qualify as being straight by nature.

so much time is spent on fellatio in porn. this is one of those things i really dont like to see all that much. one of my main turn ons are the sounds women make. so when the only sounds i hear are the guy, and the only thing i see is half of a girls face and half of a penis and some balls, i am majorly unaroused. i dont mind seeing a fellatio every now and then, but there are so many of them in porn its ridiculous. and whats with the money shot? i can think of better things to do with semen that spray it all over some girls face.

i dont like straight porn where the guy constantly draws attention to himself. the way i view guys in straight porn is that they are only there to give the girl something to get off on. i dont like them talking constantly, and blocking the shot of the woman most of the time. maybe this video was meant for the girl, or maybe for couples, but i usually punch back and go watch something else. sometimes i think the only guys who would like something like this have a few homoerotic fantasies in their head.

and it doesn't stop with blurring of this line. sometimes i find myself offended in other ways. i make no effort in hiding the fact that i like women a little on the chubby side. im talking like in the 180-220 lbs tops. but if i do a search for fat girls, i get videos for girls who are seriously morbidly obese, around 350+ lbs. its ridiculous, and disgusting. and then i mentioned this before. porn frequently emphasizes the racial stereotype of black men partnered with fat white girls. so its no figure that when i do find an appropriately sized fat chick, she is almost always partnered with a black dude. not to be racist myself but black men in porn are always drawing attention to them selves (same problem i mentioned in the last paragraph). this in itself is another racial stereotype. so i end up looking for fat lesbian porn.

so all of these are my primary reason to watch amateur porn. for an industry that supposedly facilitates every possible fantasy, the do a piss poor job. so i reject the industry and watch amateur whenever possible.