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Offline Kosh

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So.  Can you read (and please not fall over and die at the parts where God is mentioned, just... ignore it and get the jist of the article) this and explain how light traveled farther than your model of the universe allows?  I'm not saying I'm right, (although I of course think so), I'm saying there is waaaay too much uncertainty on that date you quoted.


You know what's really funny? Seeing creationists with a "phd" next to their name try and pretend to write a scientific paper.
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Offline watsisname

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I can't laugh at it anymore.  I just regret that the people who make these kinds of arguments almost never have any actual interest in learning the science involved. :/
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So.  Can you read (and please not fall over and die at the parts where God is mentioned, just... ignore it and get the jist of the article) this and explain how light traveled farther than your model of the universe allows?  I'm not saying I'm right, (although I of course think so), I'm saying there is waaaay too much uncertainty on that date you quoted.


You know what's really funny? Seeing creationists with a "phd" next to their name try and pretend to write a scientific paper.

In general the PhD won't actually be in the same subject they're publishing the paper in though. Fred Hoyle for instance is a great example of a man with quite a bit of learning in one subject sticking his nose into a subject he doesn't actually understand very well.
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Offline Bobboau

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Holy crap.  3 pages have appeared since my last active debate posting...  I better get started!

Eh, yeah. you'll note without anyone to counter them most people in here have started echochambering. not much else to do in a thread full of people who all agree with each other.
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grahhh!! why can't these things ever get more than about three levels of back and forth before they fizzle, we don't even get these very often here any more :/ I can't even remember the last time we had one.
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Offline General Battuta

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Well it's pretty hard to get a discussion going when one side just does drive-by posts.

 

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even that's better than nothing, at least with that you get a nice concise list of things they are dodging after a few pages.

I guess we only have like a half dozen creationists here any more, and most of them have learned they won't win (or have been ban/monkeyed)
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Offline Kosh

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Reminds me of the Good Old Days (tm)
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline General Battuta

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Let's talk about how the matter/antimatter asymmetry cannot yet be explained without resorting to unproven hypotheses like asymmetrical kaon decay, proving that God banished all the antimatter to anti-hell and angels are made of dark matter

ed: let's just ask Lyra to consult the alethiometer about how the universe began

 

Offline Bobboau

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Reminds me of the Good Old Days (tm)

oh... that was a nice 6 months... I truly wish that jr2 or m WOULD have come back with the 2nd law of thermodynamics a month later. it got SOOO close to 1000... :(
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Reminds me of the Good Old Days (tm)

oh... that was a nice 6 months... I truly wish that jr2 or m WOULD have come back with the 2nd law of thermodynamics a month later. it got SOOO close to 1000... :(

Jesus Christ HLP was brutal back in the day.

 

Offline watsisname

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Oh God, that thread. :lol: 
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Offline Shivan Hunter

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Bah, religious flamefests get way more old-school than that http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=7527.msg129763#msg129763

 

Offline Bobboau

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awe, now THAT was the good ole days, it could have kept going too if kelan and styxx hadn't decided to goof off, and carl hadnt killed the thread for no real good reason.

also, that was when my lil sis visited, I think she was like 13 at the time, WOW that was 9 years ago... lol look at my spelling, I'm so glad firefox integrated a spell checker.
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Actually, I personally believe that the Earth was created scientifically (that is, if you want to explain it scientifically, lol).
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Actually, I personally believe that the Earth was created scientifically (that is, if you want to explain it scientifically, lol).
Wait what?  Might want to run that by us again...

 

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Actually, I personally believe that the Earth was created scientifically (that is, if you want to explain it scientifically, lol).
Wait what?  Might want to run that by us again...
That's probably as good as it'll get.  It is Marcov....

 

Offline newman

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Actually, I personally believe that the Earth was created scientifically (that is, if you want to explain it scientifically, lol).

Unless you think the Earth was created in a lab this statement doesn't work. Created scientifically.. doesn't even mean anything though I do get what you might have meant. 
Earth's origins can and have been explained through scientific means. More intelligent religious people I've met do not find that this excludes the existence of god, as they've learned not to take a bunch of over-the-centuries heavily edited texts literally.
For instance, an intelligent religious person will take the story of the Adam and Eve as an anecdote designed to bring across several points, such as temptation, curiosity, etc.
The infantile orthodox types will of course take the text literally and think there were really two people, an apple and a talking snake at the start. Those same people probably think that Shrek is a Discovery Channel documentary on Ogres.
Science and religion do not have to be mutually exclusive. Indeed, if there really is a God I kind of doubt he'd have given us brains so we could just attribute everything to him and not try to figure out how stuff works for ourselves through observation and experimentation. Which is what science is all about. Now, it is up to the individual to decide whether or not God is just a story in many variants we inevitably came up with over the course of our development to cope with our own mortality and to try and explain why the sun comes down at night.
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Offline Bobboau

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I think he means it was created via natural processes that can be explained scientificly.
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Science and religion do not have to be mutually exclusive.

Of course not. To have them both you only require an inconsistent mind. And alas, we are humans, so that's a given.

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Indeed, if there really is a God I kind of doubt he'd have given us brains so we could just attribute everything to him and not try to figure out how stuff works for ourselves through observation and experimentation.

Which is, incidently, a mind process that requires you to just drop the god hypothesis while you are doing it. That is not coicidental, it is a consequence of the fundamental incompatibility between the religious thinking process and the scientific.

But I'll grant you this. Religion has always been an attempt to bypass Hume's moral naturalistic fallacy (the is-ought divide), and thus is much more concerned of what should be (the visions of paradise), than of what is. The problem of religion is clear when we understand that the authority of religion to tell us "what should be" stems from the religious theory of "what is", which is frequently utterly ridiculous compared to our scientific understanding of the universe. Without this authority, why should we even pay a single second of attention to what the religious have to say about "what should be the case"?