[mjn.mixael]

Had a whole conversation about the Orion the other day. Based on my study of the retail mainhalls, I'm convinced that the Bastion and Galatea are not the same space and that the Bastion shows off a maintenance & storage section with an emergency liftoff area.. Possibly for Hermes and the like.

That is based off the direction the stars are moving, not being able to see the runway (why it's not the main hangar) and the positions of the doors and desk and what make it impossible for it and the Galatea to line up.

Water's is pretty cool. Though, I would prefer some sort of lower poly remake as just loading his hangar straight into the Orion would be an incredible performance killer if his hangar model is even half the amount of detail as my Bastion mainhall remake.

[Marcov]

Okay, is it possible for us to create a "Man" model, he can walk, fire a gun, and "run" as his afterburner?

Let's say the answer to that would be Yes.

So, can we make a Man walk around the incredibly huge Water fighterbay and therefore make it fun?

Let's say, yes.



Okay, so how about making an entire goddamn ship with a full modelled interior, with all sorts of crew, marines, etc. and then walk inside it (I know this might require some rigorous work, but let's do it lol)?

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that has to be the most revolutionary mod ever made for freespace lol
Too many newlines. Not approved. -Vader

[The E]

That, my dear Marcov, would be cool, but unfortunately it is impossible.

[Marcov]

why

[The E]

Okay, is it possible for us to create a "Man" model, he can walk, fire a gun, and "run" as his afterburner?

Let's say the answer to that would be Yes.

Except that in reality, the answer is "No". I mean, sure you can create a model. You could even rig it up to do walking animations.

But since FSO doesn't know anything about this little thing called "Gravity", walking around on a surface is impossible.

So, can we make a Man walk around the incredibly huge Water fighterbay and therefore make it fun?

Let's say, yes.

Except, as per the above, it is not possible. The engine isn't built for FPS-style gameplay, trying to shoehorn something like it into it will be painful and, ultimately, not very pretty.

[Marcov]

FSO doesn't know anything about this little thing called "Gravity", get it?

Given that, now how exactly do atmospheric missions work? Without gravity?

[Jeff Vader]

FSO doesn't know anything about this little thing called "Gravity", get it?

Given that, now how exactly do atmospheric missions work? Without gravity?

Yeah. Though I think Nuke is working on some atmosphere stuff.

[The E]

The ones I've seen so far are using a script that accelerates debris (and only debris) towards -y, which makes it look as if there's gravity.

This approach works visually, but doesn't work in a gameplay/game physics sense.

The problem is that the physics engine and the collision detection code have no concept of object interactions that aren't one object crashing into another.

Also note that the AI has no idea how to operate in a space that isn't 3-dimensional.

[Destiny]

Ah, IIRC when you name something with 'Planet' in FRED and fly near it in-game, you'd start taking damage...that could do something.

I've been trailing a certain Medusa bomber from Into the Maelstrom today and when I take potshots at it, it only moves left and right, no 3-D evasive maneuvers.

[General Battuta]

Ah, IIRC when you name something with 'Planet' in FRED and fly near it in-game, you'd start taking damage...that could do something.

what

I've been trailing a certain Medusa bomber from Into the Maelstrom today and when I take potshots at it, it only moves left and right, no 3-D evasive maneuvers.

That's because it's using ****ty retail AI and until Sushi and Fury came along the AI couldn't do vertical breaks.

[Shivan Hunter]

Ah, IIRC when you name something with 'Planet' in FRED and fly near it in-game, you'd start taking damage...that could do something.

Old deprecated Retail feature. [V] were planning something like this but for soem (likely time contraints) reason decided to scrap it. Sorry but it doesn't get any more interesting than "objects named "planet" do damage to the player".

I've been trailing a certain Medusa bomber from Into the Maelstrom today and when I take potshots at it, it only moves left and right, no 3-D evasive maneuvers.

As Battuta said Retail AI sucks. There might be a way (code-side and incredubly difficult to implement, of course) to get the new AI to gravitate toward a plane some height above a surface, thus not blindly crashing into ground models, but it would be an ugly and hackish solution at best.

[General Battuta]

I've hacked in minimum and maximum altitude ceilings for the AI.

It ain't pretty but it works.