[Sandwich]

So as the news item states, I'm wanting to make the meat of each post be the most visually-prominent part of a post. There's 2 main ways I'm considering doing that, and each can be done in moderation, or drastically - vote between the options and lemme know. EDIT: Poll removed since it's no longer relevant.

- Your friendly neighborhood Sandwich

[Spoon]

I find the fade in and out when a mouse goes over a post unnecessary and sorta distracting really.

[Sandwich]

Would it be better if it instantaneously appeared rather than the 0.1s fade it does now?

EDIT: Or perhaps a much longer, gradual fade would work better? Maybe even with a delay between when the mouse is over the post and when the fade-in begins?

[mjn.mixael]

Dunno.. all the fading and rollouts and everything are almost more distracting from the post text. It draws my eye and means I have to constantly focus on where my mouse is.

[Axem]

While we're making radical changes to HLP again, could we also look at fixing these two issues?

(Also where's the leave it as it is option?)

[mjn.mixael]

Actually.. yeah.. I'd vote leave it as is.. I picked the 'Enlarge post text somewhat, 1.2' because it seemed to be the smallest change.

Also the current fading thing makes scrolling a lot less smooth.

[Spoon]

Would it be better if it instantaneously appeared rather than the 0.1s fade it does now?

It would be better to not have it at all imho.
I usually tend to just move my mouse around the screen and it just starts a disco as different signatures suddenly get lit up and off. Or when you scroll down.

Also, embedded videos when?

[Sandwich]

While we're making radical changes to HLP again, could we also look at fixing these two issues?

The image issue has been fixed. The wiki will unfortunately require a more drastic fix.

[Black Wolf]

Another vote for how it was, new system makes clicking sig links pretty tricky on mobile.

[Mongoose]

Count my vote for going back to normal.

[ShadowWolf_IH]

Please don't enlarge the posts, other than that, fade in or out makes no difference to me, in fact I didn't even notice it until I started reading this thread (but that can be attributed to the fact that I just took my first sip of coffee for the day). Fade in or out, or left alone, it makes no difference to me. 

Consider though that we are all vets, may want to talk with some of the new blood.  Those who aren't so set in their ways and running in HLP on the habits developed using the old way.

I gotta agree about the sig comment though, it does make things tougher.

[FUBAR-BDHR]

With the small text in the sig windows I find it actually distracts me from the contents of the post.  It's like your trying to hide stuff in the fine print so I just have to look.  I'm sure over time I would adapt but if I'm being distracted by it members that are new or don't frequent the forums ofter probably would be as well. 

Count my vote for leave it alone.

[Goober5000]

I also vote to leave it alone.

And Sandwich, how much of a "drastic" fix for the wiki are we talking about?

[Sandwich]

Wait, what about the sigs? I didn't do anything to their behavior at all... only made them faded out by default, and fade back in when the mouse hovered over a post. I've reverted that though due to the feedback, and am now simply mildly fading out the post header and the signature area permanently (no mouseover changes).

And Sandwich, how much of a "drastic" fix for the wiki are we talking about?

See (and keep it in) that thread.

[Phantom Hoover]

The background in signatures remains transparent even when they do that roll down thing when you mouse over them, which creates a mess with the post below for sufficiently tall sigs.

[Shivan Hunter]

Another vote here for going back to normal.

I'm wanting to make the meat of each post be the most visually-prominent part of a post.

This goal has already been met. HLP disallows images in sigs and derphuge avatars, and uses a subdued color scheme to emphasize post content. These are excellent design decisions and are sufficient for the stated goal.

Enlarging post text would be unnecessary and annoying, and any dynamic changes in text color draws the eye to that text, which is exactly what you're trying to avoid (the options such as "report to moderator" appearing and disappearing were already somewhat distracting when they were introduced).

Changing the title and sig color permanently to a slightly darker color might have the effect you want, and it's the only acceptable option of the ones stated.

[EDIT] What you have now is good. (I was going to say "good solution" but that implies that a problem exists)

[Scotty]

As an fyi, the darkening of sigs has led to the (I assume) unintended side-effect of making them all darker on member's pages as well.

[mjn.mixael]

I really do appreciate the effort you put into making this site look the best it can be.. as well as the fact that you are thinking of how it can be made to better meet its goals.

However, in this case I must ask.. 'why fix what isn't broke?' And I'm a little worried that since you already made some changes that they'll just stay until we get tired of asking. I mostly worry this because they overwhelming response so far has been 'no change' and yet there's still been a change made.

[Sandwich]

Jeez people. Chillax. We're experimenting here. Like the news item says, "I'm playing around...don't panic". All will be satisfactory - and I dare say improved - in the end.

Also, with every change I do, I want to make the forums more mobile-friendly. That doesn't necessarily mean that the desktop version will be affected, but in some cases it might. Just FYI.

The background in signatures remains transparent even when they do that roll down thing when you mouse over them, which creates a mess with the post below for sufficiently tall sigs.

Ahh, I overlooked that. Thanks for the specific description of the issue - it helps.

Ok, there's 2 main aspects of posts I want to adjust. The post header, and the signature:



I haven't heard any issues with the header's current muted appearance, so unless anyone has any objections to that aspect, I'll leave that as-is.

As for the sig, I'll take care of the see-through issue it has now. However, I've never been completely at ease with how it expands on mouseover. It's better than it scrolling in its own limited-height box, which we had previously and was screwing up mousewheel scrolling down thread pages, but it's still not ideal. I'm open to suggestions.

[Sandwich]

I've disabled the sig expanding thing in the meantime, and left them muted in color. I can also limit their height if need be, and not provide any way to display anything that gets cut off. Thoughts?