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Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
What I mean is that most of Cata's ship designs suck on such a basic level that more polygons won't make them look good.  They'd need a total redesign.

The Somtaaw carrier is a really good example of this.
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What I mean is that most of Cata's ship designs suck at such a basic level that more polygons won't make them look good.  They'd need a total redesign.

The Somtaaw carrier is a really good example of this.
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The Somtaaw ships are quite frankly, really really bad looking. If they are going to remaster Catalysm at some point, they should just redo the whole Somtaaw fleet.
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Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
I liked the Kuun Laan and...
um...
er...

yeah
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Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
What I mean is that most of Cata's ship designs suck at such a basic level that more polygons won't make them look good. 

What you mean is that you have a broad opinion in all its relative value rather than nuanced commentary on the subject.

I was one of the guys annoyed when they deblocked the Orion, because I preferred the solidity and implied resilience and power of it. So yeah, you're going to need more.
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Spoon basically explained it.  Somtaaw capships are bricks, with no more design or visual appeal than a Soviet apartment building.  They don't look like repurposed civilian designs (since that could actually be really interesting), they just look like bricks.

This isn't a condemnation of blocky ships, because Homeworld has a lot of good-looking blocky ships.   So does FS.  But Cataclysm is an example of how not to do it.

The Kuun-Lan looks ok, the hive frigate isn't horrible, and a case could be made for the dreadnought if it was lengthened.

And Somtaaw corvettes are just downright lazy.
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I happened to like the carrier design, but I think I'm alone in that.  It may be because it felt like something I could easily construct with an erector set or legos or k'nex or something. (I had Cataclysm when I was pretty young.)  Looking at it today, it is not as good as I remember.  So I agree on most counts, especially the destroyer, ore processor , multi-beam frigate and corvettes.   

They were probably under heavy time restraints.  I do love the sentinel and the leech craft, however.

Honestly, I couldn't get into the game for a while because the default resolution make everything look.... even worse, and I didn't realize that changing the resolution would make it look any better.  I finally played through it two years ago and thoroughly enjoyed it.

 

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They clearly focused on the sound in cata :yes:
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Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
To be fair, the Kuun Lan had some interesting design cues hidden within the mess of blocks; it's probably the most visually interesting and best design of the Somtaaw designs but it's still not amazing by any means of the word.
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Whenever I draw a puny little concept for large mining or fabrication ships I end up getting a Kuun-Lan style ship...
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Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
homeworld cataclysm is one of the most daring and innovative portfolios of toaster design in recent history
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Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
Nothing is worse than the Kushan heavy cruiser.

 
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Nothing is worse than the Kushan heavy cruiser.

I'm trying really hard to remember what it looks like (without having to look it up)... That means it's pretty forgettable, but I get a very strong feeling that whatever it looked like, you're absolutely right about it.

I do actually like the design of the Somtaaw Destroyer though. Even the Heavy Cruiser looked all right.

 

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Nothing is worse than the Kushan heavy cruiser.

I'm trying really hard to remember what it looks like (without having to look it up)... That means it's pretty forgettable, but I get a very strong feeling that whatever it looked like, you're absolutely right about it.

I do actually like the design of the Somtaaw Destroyer though. Even the Heavy Cruiser looked all right.
Kushan heavy cruiser: http://homeworld.wikia.com/wiki/Avatar-class_Heavy_Cruiser
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Somtaaw dreadnought: http://homeworld.wikia.com/wiki/Archangel-class_Dreadnought

Quite frankly, I don't really like the design of any of them.
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Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
I actually think the Archangel is the worst design in the game. I know exactly what it's trying to do, and it does kind of accomplish it, it's just the Bentusi should have been unique. (Relatively poor combat performance also plays a role.)
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Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
I quite like the Avatar, though it does suffer from an indistinctness of shape. It has a muscly, brutish quality and it inherits enough from the carrier (which TBH I quite dislike because of how much of it is empty space) that it fits with the rest of the fleet. Though I like the Boanerges for similar reasons, so I might be going against the grain here too.
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Re: Homeworld Remastered Collection pre-order up on Steam release 25 feb
If {a couple of familiar cruisers and corvettes known primarily from a very big and well-known mod} had potential, Somtaaw blocks have it too. The main issue with Somtaaw fleet is that it needs to be very compact, which was translated to being square. Each of them has some kind of shape so I can't really see the issue, especially since no one is complaining about Bentusi :P
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I actually think the Archangel is the worst design in the game. I know exactly what it's trying to do, and it does kind of accomplish it, it's just the Bentusi should have been unique. (Relatively poor combat performance also plays a role.)

I like it but I get your point 100%. And yes, I generally agree that Cata ships are not the feminine sleek and slim gorgeous ships of HW1 or HW2, but then again they are not feminine. They are masculine, brute-like, mining people like. It's like the ugly marginal big muscled guy who gets to save the day for once. Hey, it can't always be the sleeky super marvel-like heroes doing the job. Sometimes it's the janitor doing the ****. And that's the kind of story that Cata is.

So please y'all, stop fatshaming Cataclysm. The worst that could ever happen to Cataclysm is a sort of Hyperionization in the way of BP!

 

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*has not played cataclysm*

People tell me I should.
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I like it but I get your point 100%. And yes, I generally agree that Cata ships are not the feminine sleek and slim gorgeous ships of HW1 or HW2, but then again they are not feminine. They are masculine, brute-like, mining people like. It's like the ugly marginal big muscled guy who gets to save the day for once. Hey, it can't always be the sleeky super marvel-like heroes doing the job. Sometimes it's the janitor doing the ****. And that's the kind of story that Cata is.

So please y'all, stop fatshaming Cataclysm. The worst that could ever happen to Cataclysm is a sort of Hyperionization in the way of BP!

Yeah, pretty much this. With only like four or five exceptions, literally every ship you saw in Cataclysm was a combat vessel designed in a couple days by a half-dozen guys locked in a room until they made a spaceship and they only had a three-day-old cheese pizza to eat.  The design was then sent straight to the factory where it was deployed within hours of arrival, if not sooner.

They're not pretty. They're not efficient. They're not refined. These ships were designed under the motto "Second Best Tomorrow". They are the product of an extraordinary emergency. They look the part.
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