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Offline karajorma

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That was 4 days ago. What has he done for me lately? :p
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When you're shouting at someone with only around 100 posts that they need to play FS2 in order to be allowed an opinion, it's not the most welcoming thing you could do.
...and if anyone had actually done that, then you might have a point.
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<MageKing17> "There's probably a reason the code is the way it is" is a very dangerous line of thought. :P
<MageKing17> Because the "reason" often turns out to be "nobody noticed it was wrong".
(the very next day)
<MageKing17> this ****ing code did it to me again
<MageKing17> "That doesn't really make sense to me, but I'll assume it was being done for a reason."
<MageKing17> **** ME
<MageKing17> THE REASON IS PEOPLE ARE STUPID
<MageKing17> ESPECIALLY ME

<MageKing17> God damn, I do not understand how this is breaking.
<MageKing17> Everything points to "this should work fine", and yet it's clearly not working.
<MjnMixael> 2 hours later... "God damn, how did this ever work at all?!"
(...)
<MageKing17> so
<MageKing17> more than two hours
<MageKing17> but once again we have reached the inevitable conclusion
<MageKing17> How did this code ever work in the first place!?

<@The_E> Welcome to OpenGL, where standards compliance is optional, and error reporting inconsistent

<MageKing17> It was all working perfectly until I actually tried it on an actual mission.

<IronWorks> I am useful for FSO stuff again. This is a red-letter day!
* z64555 erases "Thursday" and rewrites it in red ink

<MageKing17> TIL the entire homing code is held up by shoestrings and duct tape, basically.

 

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Really?

Now get back on topic instead of arguing about forum drama. Or take Battuta's advice and play something!
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Really?
Now point to where Battuta "shouted" that
they need to play FS2 in order to be allowed an opinion
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schrödinbug (noun) - a bug that manifests itself in running software after a programmer notices that the code should never have worked in the first place.

When you gaze long into BMPMAN, BMPMAN also gazes into you.

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<Aesaar> literary criticism is vladimir putin

<MageKing17> "There's probably a reason the code is the way it is" is a very dangerous line of thought. :P
<MageKing17> Because the "reason" often turns out to be "nobody noticed it was wrong".
(the very next day)
<MageKing17> this ****ing code did it to me again
<MageKing17> "That doesn't really make sense to me, but I'll assume it was being done for a reason."
<MageKing17> **** ME
<MageKing17> THE REASON IS PEOPLE ARE STUPID
<MageKing17> ESPECIALLY ME

<MageKing17> God damn, I do not understand how this is breaking.
<MageKing17> Everything points to "this should work fine", and yet it's clearly not working.
<MjnMixael> 2 hours later... "God damn, how did this ever work at all?!"
(...)
<MageKing17> so
<MageKing17> more than two hours
<MageKing17> but once again we have reached the inevitable conclusion
<MageKing17> How did this code ever work in the first place!?

<@The_E> Welcome to OpenGL, where standards compliance is optional, and error reporting inconsistent

<MageKing17> It was all working perfectly until I actually tried it on an actual mission.

<IronWorks> I am useful for FSO stuff again. This is a red-letter day!
* z64555 erases "Thursday" and rewrites it in red ink

<MageKing17> TIL the entire homing code is held up by shoestrings and duct tape, basically.

 

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Seriously, get off this topic.
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Re: Sniping. Yes, people need to play more. But getting more people into the forum is important too and shutting down people's ideas just because you feel they haven't played enough just makes this place look bad to anyone who is new here. When you're shouting at someone with only around 100 posts that they need to play FS2 in order to be allowed an opinion, it's not the most welcoming thing you could do.

Never did, mate. He was confused as to why I was begging UT/JR2/etc to play more: I told him. At no point did he and I discuss whether he was allowed to have an opinion: the topic at hand was the people who I actually told to play some damn FSO!

If you're going to be a global mod or a long-time vet, then yeah, you better play some FS2 if you want to be involved in a conversation. Shame 'em if they don't. We've had years of the polite method. If long-time members are offended that they're being asked to play FSO, there's an easy fun fix.

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Never did, mate.

Actually there were reports that you did. So even if you didn't mean it to come off that way, that's how it sounded to quite a few other people.

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If you're going to be a global mod or a long-time vet, then yeah, you better play some FS2 if you want to be involved in a conversation.

Now I tend to agree with that to some extent. If people are going to recommend things, they should know what they are talking about. But that doesn't mean that you should be telling people to play more FS2 on this thread as if that is the only thing that matters. If someone hasn't played FS2 for ten years, perhaps it might be worth finding out why they haven't played for that long instead of trying to bully them into playing more and then saying they shouldn't be offended by it. Someone who hasn't played FS2 in a long time sounds a hell of lot like one of our target audiences.


Anyway, can we get back on topic now, please? If you want to talk more about the issue, PM me.
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Offline AdmiralRalwood

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This is the topic. You yourself said:
When you're shouting at someone with only around 100 posts that they need to play FS2 in order to be allowed an opinion, it's not the most welcoming thing you could do.
(Emphasis mine.)

This whole thread is about how we can improve the community, is it not? How is this not on-topic?

Personally, I think a mod saying "you're being mean, but I'm not going to specifically point out how, and when you ask for clarification I'll tell you to drop it" is more unwelcoming than one long-time member of HLP telling another long-time member of HLP that they should play more FSO, but that's just me.

Also:
trying to bully them into playing more
"Bully them into playing more"? What does that even mean? It's not like he threatened to ban them if they didn't play more FSO because, and I don't know how you forgot, but the one with the power in the conversation isn't Battuta.
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When you gaze long into BMPMAN, BMPMAN also gazes into you.

"I am one of the best FREDders on Earth" -General Battuta

<Aesaar> literary criticism is vladimir putin

<MageKing17> "There's probably a reason the code is the way it is" is a very dangerous line of thought. :P
<MageKing17> Because the "reason" often turns out to be "nobody noticed it was wrong".
(the very next day)
<MageKing17> this ****ing code did it to me again
<MageKing17> "That doesn't really make sense to me, but I'll assume it was being done for a reason."
<MageKing17> **** ME
<MageKing17> THE REASON IS PEOPLE ARE STUPID
<MageKing17> ESPECIALLY ME

<MageKing17> God damn, I do not understand how this is breaking.
<MageKing17> Everything points to "this should work fine", and yet it's clearly not working.
<MjnMixael> 2 hours later... "God damn, how did this ever work at all?!"
(...)
<MageKing17> so
<MageKing17> more than two hours
<MageKing17> but once again we have reached the inevitable conclusion
<MageKing17> How did this code ever work in the first place!?

<@The_E> Welcome to OpenGL, where standards compliance is optional, and error reporting inconsistent

<MageKing17> It was all working perfectly until I actually tried it on an actual mission.

<IronWorks> I am useful for FSO stuff again. This is a red-letter day!
* z64555 erases "Thursday" and rewrites it in red ink

<MageKing17> TIL the entire homing code is held up by shoestrings and duct tape, basically.

 

Offline General Battuta

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Sure. The only thing I want to say in direct response is also productive — we should be finding out why they're not playing, which is why Ralwood and I hope UT will post the debug log from the BtA crashes!

Ralwood, it's cool, I appreciate it but let's move on.

 

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So, what about this idea of having a Help Wanted board?
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So, what about this idea of having a Help Wanted board?

I'm struggling to articulate why I don't really like the idea. I don't know, my gut feeling is I'm not sure if that's a good idea. Yeah, it aggregates all the possible help that currently existing projects need, but... I don't know, it draws away the attention from the project board (at least if it has one)? I guess it would be viable if project boards are removed or ones that don't have one can make a thread there.
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20:08:19   AndrewofDoom: Though I find it mildly disturbing that a loli is giggling to mass destruction.
20:10:01   Spoon: I find it mildly arrousing
20:10:07   AndrewofDoom: Woah
20:10:15   Spoon: sound like my kind of loli
20:10:21   Spoon: and im not even a lolicon

 

Offline karajorma

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There's no reason you couldn't advertise for help on both. I wasn't planning on taking the Diaspora one down even if I did put a new one up.
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Offline Colonol Dekker

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There's no reason why help recruitment isn't handled on a different platform like Facebook?
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I rather not touch Facebook.
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20:08:19   AndrewofDoom: Though I find it mildly disturbing that a loli is giggling to mass destruction.
20:10:01   Spoon: I find it mildly arrousing
20:10:07   AndrewofDoom: Woah
20:10:15   Spoon: sound like my kind of loli
20:10:21   Spoon: and im not even a lolicon

 

Offline JSRNerdo

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There's no reason why help recruitment isn't handled on a different platform like Facebook?

Well, I don't use facebook, I use HLP. :p
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Offline karajorma

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There's no reason why help recruitment isn't handled on a different platform like Facebook?

Well we're certainly going to have to expand to using Facebook and other social media for recruiting but in the end we're going to have to get them to join the forum if they want to join any team.

I rather not touch Facebook.

Most of us wouldn't. That's why the userbase here has shrunk and why we're nowhere near as well known as other modding projects which haven't achieved halfway near as much as we have. It's unfortunate but we have to change.
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Offline Colonol Dekker

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Well I've already posted a link to here in an elite dangerous page with 1.4k likes.  That can only be positive.  Oh wait.....I'm backing it up with a freespace post.

I like windmills.  We need more campaigns by that guy.
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Offline Lorric

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There's no reason you couldn't advertise for help on both.
Exactly. This isn't a one or the other thing. Indeed, if it was me, and I had my own board, or even just my own campaign development thread, I'd advertise in both. I would recommend advertising in both.