[karajorma]

That was 4 days ago. What has he done for me lately?

[AdmiralRalwood]

When you're shouting at someone with only around 100 posts that they need to play FS2 in order to be allowed an opinion, it's not the most welcoming thing you could do.

...and if anyone had actually done that, then you might have a point.

[karajorma]

Really?

Now get back on topic instead of arguing about forum drama. Or take Battuta's advice and play something!

[AdmiralRalwood]

Really?

Now point to where Battuta "shouted" that

they need to play FS2 in order to be allowed an opinion

[karajorma]

Seriously, get off this topic.

[JSRNerdo]

[shamelessselfplug]I recommend playing The Last Stand and posting your thoughts about it in the release thread instead of arguing about this ****[/shamelessselfplug]

[General Battuta]

Re: Sniping. Yes, people need to play more. But getting more people into the forum is important too and shutting down people's ideas just because you feel they haven't played enough just makes this place look bad to anyone who is new here. When you're shouting at someone with only around 100 posts that they need to play FS2 in order to be allowed an opinion, it's not the most welcoming thing you could do.

Never did, mate. He was confused as to why I was begging UT/JR2/etc to play more: I told him. At no point did he and I discuss whether he was allowed to have an opinion: the topic at hand was the people who I actually told to play some damn FSO!

If you're going to be a global mod or a long-time vet, then yeah, you better play some FS2 if you want to be involved in a conversation. Shame 'em if they don't. We've had years of the polite method. If long-time members are offended that they're being asked to play FSO, there's an easy fun fix.

I've successfully installed Knossos! Hopefully my vote for 'its not a virus' will make some difference.

[karajorma]

Never did, mate.

Actually there were reports that you did. So even if you didn't mean it to come off that way, that's how it sounded to quite a few other people.

If you're going to be a global mod or a long-time vet, then yeah, you better play some FS2 if you want to be involved in a conversation.

Now I tend to agree with that to some extent. If people are going to recommend things, they should know what they are talking about. But that doesn't mean that you should be telling people to play more FS2 on this thread as if that is the only thing that matters. If someone hasn't played FS2 for ten years, perhaps it might be worth finding out why they haven't played for that long instead of trying to bully them into playing more and then saying they shouldn't be offended by it. Someone who hasn't played FS2 in a long time sounds a hell of lot like one of our target audiences.


Anyway, can we get back on topic now, please? If you want to talk more about the issue, PM me.

[AdmiralRalwood]

This is the topic. You yourself said:

When you're shouting at someone with only around 100 posts that they need to play FS2 in order to be allowed an opinion, it's not the most welcoming thing you could do.

(Emphasis mine.)

This whole thread is about how we can improve the community, is it not? How is this not on-topic?

Personally, I think a mod saying "you're being mean, but I'm not going to specifically point out how, and when you ask for clarification I'll tell you to drop it" is more unwelcoming than one long-time member of HLP telling another long-time member of HLP that they should play more FSO, but that's just me.

Also:

trying to bully them into playing more

"Bully them into playing more"? What does that even mean? It's not like he threatened to ban them if they didn't play more FSO because, and I don't know how you forgot, but the one with the power in the conversation isn't Battuta.

[General Battuta]

Sure. The only thing I want to say in direct response is also productive — we should be finding out why they're not playing, which is why Ralwood and I hope UT will post the debug log from the BtA crashes!

Ralwood, it's cool, I appreciate it but let's move on.

[mjn.mixael]

Ugh, seriously guys?

[karajorma]

So, what about this idea of having a Help Wanted board?

[AndrewofDoom]

So, what about this idea of having a Help Wanted board?

I'm struggling to articulate why I don't really like the idea. I don't know, my gut feeling is I'm not sure if that's a good idea. Yeah, it aggregates all the possible help that currently existing projects need, but... I don't know, it draws away the attention from the project board (at least if it has one)? I guess it would be viable if project boards are removed or ones that don't have one can make a thread there.

[karajorma]

There's no reason you couldn't advertise for help on both. I wasn't planning on taking the Diaspora one down even if I did put a new one up.

[Colonol Dekker]

There's no reason why help recruitment isn't handled on a different platform like Facebook?

[AndrewofDoom]

I rather not touch Facebook.

[JSRNerdo]

There's no reason why help recruitment isn't handled on a different platform like Facebook?

Well, I don't use facebook, I use HLP.

[karajorma]

There's no reason why help recruitment isn't handled on a different platform like Facebook?

Well we're certainly going to have to expand to using Facebook and other social media for recruiting but in the end we're going to have to get them to join the forum if they want to join any team.

I rather not touch Facebook.

Most of us wouldn't. That's why the userbase here has shrunk and why we're nowhere near as well known as other modding projects which haven't achieved halfway near as much as we have. It's unfortunate but we have to change.

[Colonol Dekker]

Well I've already posted a link to here in an elite dangerous page with 1.4k likes.  That can only be positive.  Oh wait.....I'm backing it up with a freespace post.

I like windmills.  We need more campaigns by that guy.

[Lorric]

There's no reason you couldn't advertise for help on both.

Exactly. This isn't a one or the other thing. Indeed, if it was me, and I had my own board, or even just my own campaign development thread, I'd advertise in both. I would recommend advertising in both.