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Offline AdmiralRalwood

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<MageKing17> "There's probably a reason the code is the way it is" is a very dangerous line of thought. :P
<MageKing17> Because the "reason" often turns out to be "nobody noticed it was wrong".
(the very next day)
<MageKing17> this ****ing code did it to me again
<MageKing17> "That doesn't really make sense to me, but I'll assume it was being done for a reason."
<MageKing17> **** ME
<MageKing17> THE REASON IS PEOPLE ARE STUPID
<MageKing17> ESPECIALLY ME

<MageKing17> God damn, I do not understand how this is breaking.
<MageKing17> Everything points to "this should work fine", and yet it's clearly not working.
<MjnMixael> 2 hours later... "God damn, how did this ever work at all?!"
(...)
<MageKing17> so
<MageKing17> more than two hours
<MageKing17> but once again we have reached the inevitable conclusion
<MageKing17> How did this code ever work in the first place!?

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Multi is not going to happen. FSO is a single-player project now. We don't have the resources to fix it or the playerbase to make it worthwhile.

I thought karajorma had it on the backburner?
Multi has been "on the backburner" for, like, a decade (if not longer). Without a coder that knows netcode, someone would have to basically learn how it works from scratch to be able to perform even marginal improvements, and nobody has that kind of time for something that our active playerbase does not use (of course, improved netcode would increase our potential playerbase significantly... but the people who currently use FSO obviously don't use it for multiplayer).

...and the ultimate goal of this topic was to increase our playerbase, not just make things better for the current playerbase (although it is also that).  However, still no netcode guru, so moot point.

 

Offline jr2

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... why are the URLs split in that video?  Currently it has a hypertext link to "http://www" and then " . fsoinstaller . com"

 

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It's some kind of anti spam protection or something, it keeps breaking up the link after I edit it. Yet oddly enough the mixtape link doesn't suffer that fate, the links also seem unbroken in the public profile
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[02:42] <@Axem> spoon somethings wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> critically wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> im happy with these missions now
[02:44] <@Axem> well
[02:44] <@Axem> with 2 of them

 
I don't think that's supposed to happen; file a support ticket to get a definitive answer.



Unrelated: "Show unread posts" has become actually useful since the gendisc blacklist. Much appreciated.

 

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Unrelated: "Show unread posts" has become actually useful since the gendisc blacklist. Much appreciated.

I hate that change.  (I know; strong language for me!)  I think it killed gendisc, which may have been the intent,  since there have been very few new posts there since the switch.  I was one of the apparent few who enjoyed that board, but it's a PITA now to have to manually go to the board and look for stuff I haven't already seen. 

What really irritates me i guess is that there already was a way for people to opt out of seeing it on the "unread posts" link, but now the option to see it for those of us who liked it has been taken away.  Can't it be added back, maybe defaulted to "don't show", so those of us who like it can choose to turn it back on?



Edit: toned down 2nd paragraph, originally written before i had enough coffee to be civilized
« Last Edit: February 20, 2017, 07:20:05 pm by deathspeed »
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Offline Mongoose

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I must be the only person who opens every subfolder I'm reading in like 20 different tabs instead of using that link. :P

 

Offline karajorma

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I even do that on my phone!
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Offline deathspeed

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I even do that on my phone!

I don't think I've ever even tried getting to HLP on my phone.  :)
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Offline Colonol Dekker

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Shared on the facebook.  (at least one of them ;) )
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I'm going to have to create a twitter account...  :nervous:
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Ya'll should make sure to give @HardLightPro a follow on Twitter. I've been posting regularly. Re-tweet the stuff you find interesting and help get the word out!

Went to go follow, apparently already did (yeah I don't use Twitter much lol).

 

Offline Blue Lion

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Do we know who runs the facebook page for HLP, not the group? I'd like to get in contact with someone who runs the page (which is basically empty)

 

Offline Colonol Dekker

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Multi is not going to happen. FSO is a single-player project now. We don't have the resources to fix it or the playerbase to make it worthwhile.

I thought karajorma had it on the backburner?
Multi has been "on the backburner" for, like, a decade (if not longer). Without a coder that knows netcode, someone would have to basically learn how it works from scratch to be able to perform even marginal improvements, and nobody has that kind of time for something that our active playerbase does not use (of course, improved netcode would increase our potential playerbase significantly... but the people who currently use FSO obviously don't use it for multiplayer).

...and the ultimate goal of this topic was to increase our playerbase, not just make things better for the current playerbase (although it is also that).  However, still no netcode guru, so moot point.

Are people just conceding that multiplayer is completely dead?  That's sad.  I now have four VPS servers running, currently still for testing, but which could be running full time release standalones of any combination of mods.  That's up to 48 multiplayer slots running simultaneously without anyone having to forward ports.  Probably the best workaround we have for the confusing NAT setup until someone figures out punch-thru.  Also jg18 plans on running a series of experiments on the netcode to see if we can find some gains, and has even had users volunteering to help him out yet.  So there is still some interest, and sometimes a small, but dedicated grass roots team is all you need to make things happen.  I have personally been trying to ensure the WebUI-based standalones remain stable for a couple years now I think, because I think that a few dedicated hosting machines are our best bet for any multiplayer viability in the near term.  I'm really happy with how stable they're running now and think that I could set up a couple retail, a MediaVPs, and maybe another mod once 3.8 is released.
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iamzack:  i dont have hamynerge i just want ptatoc hips D:
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Offline Spoon

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Are people just conceding that multiplayer is completely dead? 
Uuuuh, it has been completely dead for years now.

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That's sad.
It's called looking at reality.
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[02:42] <@Axem> spoon somethings wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> critically wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> im happy with these missions now
[02:44] <@Axem> well
[02:44] <@Axem> with 2 of them

 

Offline karajorma

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It's also rather premature. Multi isn't very healthy but the quickest way to actually kill it is to discourage the coders who want to work on it.
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Offline jg18

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Seemed apropos. :nervous:

EDIT: I may be kidding myself, but I do think that multi is as Miracle Max says, slightly alive. We do get people from time to time who are interested in multi, and if Internet multi were playable -- or even fun! -- maybe it'd spark something. :)



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