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"After the Battle of Korea, the war was essentially over. The Japanese forces in the mainland were left undersupplied and isolated; their surrender, two months later, was inevitable. Tsingtaou was finally avenged and our Eastern holdings were secure."

"This left the Admiralität at the precarious position of having to anticipate what the next big threat would be. We were both hoping and dreading that the time of reckoning - der Tag - was finally here, that we would finally be able to concentrate our efforts towards wrestling dominance of the seas away from the British."

-Großadmiral v. Tirpitz 1920, My Memoirs, London: Hurst & Blackett.



After the Battle of Korea, the wreck of the Yashima (which had come to rest on a sandbank, only a few metres before the surface) was raised and towed to Tsingtaou. The effects of the German shells on the Japanese armor were studied extensively - this sparked a whole new discussion on improving the penetrative capability of the German shells.





The Battle of Korea also taught Galster the last lessons he needed to complete his short doctrinal work "Eine Abhandlung über Schlachtkreuzer-Flottenformationen", which remained required reading in the German Naval Academy until 1985.









Meanwhile, the Japanese raiders sallied out in a last desperate hurrah, against the teeth of the German submarines. The end result was predictable; and the Itsukushima only managed to escape the Hindenburg by burning out her fuel bunkers in a mad dash to neutral Java.





By December, the Japanese sued for peace once more. The Admiralität objected to the initial suggestions for a white peace; Tirpitz, in particular, clearly stated that, given five more months of submarine warfare, he could starve the Japanese into an unconditional surrender. But von Mecklenburg did not wish to humiliate the Japanese. For one thing, he wished for the situation in the Far East to settle into a low-tension, stable state. Allowing the Japanese to save face was not unreasonable. Also, his prospectors and geologists in Greece were already coming back with very interesting results. There was no true need of annexing Japanese territory.



He could have asked for oil-rich Borneo. But he chose not to. Establishing and fortifying a new base there would severely impact the German national budget; and Germany could not afford to waste money at this point. Every single spare Mark should be spent preparing for the inevitable day of reckoning. The British had, finally, spent their hand. All their allies had been beaten back, humiliated, brought low into inconsequence. They (and America, but the USA were isolationist and no threat to the Germans) were the last, mighty obstacle standing between Germany and her rightful rule  of the seas; and they had to be met with everything that Germany could bring to bear.

So, von Mecklenburg asks for monetary war reparations, instead; and extends the hand of friendship to defeated Japan.







The inevitable post-war budget cut hurts the Admiralität sore; but they have stockpiled funds, in anticipation of this moment. They now run a monthly six million Mark deficit; but they keep spending, with wild abandon, waiting for the inevitable moment when the German economy will propell itself out of the post-war slump.

Meanwhile, the R & D department delivers. Improvements to AP shells; experimental elevation gear for the German turret mounts; and improved power-plants for the German torpedoes.





And more importantly - the first German truly capital-grade weapon. It's a dismal, overweight, underpowered piece of crap, that has Tirpitz and Galster shudder in horror at its performance; but it's the first German-produced 14-inch rifle and it opens the road to the future. And His Majesty the Kaiser attends its test firing with the biggest goofy smile on his face.



France. No. Stahp. Don't ruin what we had.



Another interesting development: Germany, through her own insanely effective submarine campaigns, has realised the threat that U-Boote and minefields pose. The Admiralität has ordered a new batch of small yet capable 400-ton gunships for patrol work; they are only armed with three 76mm guns, but they are fast for their size (at 22 knots) and they can outgun any submarine in existence.



Russia. Do not make us come over there again. If you do, we're burning every ****ing vodka distillery from the Baltic to Kamtchatka to the ground, do you understand?



Oh mein Gott, das ist ja wunderbar!

Every light cruiser in the German navy immediately hits the drydocks, for the installation of the new, improved turret mounts. Double secondary turrets in capital ships are likewise modified. The costs are considerable, but, essentially overnight, small-caliber rifles in the German navy improve their rate of fire by ten to twenty percent.



Also, in the framework of the new ASW patrol ships, the R & D department submits designs for truly reliable depth charge fuzes. Oh, y'all are in so much trouble.



BAM. Ger-money strikes again.



Well, hello there Frau Zelle, what news do you have from our good neighbours?



Well-crap. This is a rude awakening. The Frenchies have joined the Schlachtkreuzer race quite late, but this is veryworrying. She is smaller than the Wittelsbachs and carries ten 14-inch rifles. She is also faster than the Wittelsbachs. That said, her belt is butter, especially to the new German AP shells. Estimates show that the Wittelsbachs (and, by extension, the Zähringens, who are using the same guns) can reliably pen her deck and belt from any range up to 17k yards - and German rifles, although smaller, fire faster.

No reason for undue alarm, yet. Plus, France is quite friendly towards us. If we ignore all the spying...





Whut. Is this some sort of appeasement, Brits? It will not save you. But sure, here's some money. We can always use more underwater protection.





Ok, what is going on here?

German Military Intelligence is stumped. There is no discernible reason for why the government of the Rt. Hon. H. H. Asquith would be willing to sell these designs to Germany. I mean, yes, tensions are low, but...surely they realise...?

And then the first, unconfirmed news come in. The Brits have laid down a new classified class of Dreadnought, the 'Camperdown'; and they are building it fast. They are trying to scrape the necessary funds together.

Ah. Hmmmmm. Well, that is fine by Germany. If she needs to freeze construction of the Graf Spee for a bit to pay for these designs, that is fine. The two older sisters are less than a year from completion; and Germany can now build modern heavy cruisers, which she will do, with gusto.





Mein Gott, all the tech.





Holy crap, Japan. Who the hell is funding this?

This is bigger than the Wittelsbachs, with more guns than the French battlecruiser and four 18-inch torpedo tubes. Not to mention faster than the German battle-line. Again, her belt is butter, but twelve 14-inchers?

Ok, who gave them all this tech?-



Briiiiiiits....

*mumbling from backstage*

...Goddammit, R & D, we're venting here. What do you want? I swear, this had better be important...






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Re: Enioch's naval shenanigans - RTW as Germany - [Image Heavy!]
Oh, AON armor :D I guess you can scrap the Graf Spee now.

Its still interesting how slow gun development ist compared to everything else. In my last game (as Germany) somehow everyone ended up having ok quality 16 inch guns on by this time and then even bigger guns a few years later. At least in your timeline they won't be sailing around effectively unarmored 17/18 inch gun battlecruisers that can be trashed by DD guns...
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Did this universe have an alien ship crash on earth that all the nations are salvaging technology from or something? Holy moley does the tech advance fast.
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Re: Enioch's naval shenanigans - RTW as Germany - [Image Heavy!]
Did this universe have an alien ship crash on earth that all the nations are salvaging technology from or something? Holy moley does the tech advance fast.

Well, the next rebooted XCOM game is clearly going to be Terror From The Deep...

 

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- PART 5 -
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"The new experimental designs for the so-called 'All or Nothing' armor schemes were received with limited enthusiasm by the Admiralität. This was such a radical departure from our tried-and-true past designs that were were, perhaps, too cautious in adopting them. But what was, finally, decided, was that the Zähringen and her sisters would be completed as designed; and that a new generation of heavy cruisers would be laid down, to serve as testbeds."

"After all, while the Schlachtkreuzer had proved to be perfectly capable of catching and sinking the Japanese raiding light cruisers, our enemies had only employed old, obsolete designs. The British or French navies operated light cruisers that were easily capable of outrunning our capitals; we needed something capable of safeguarding our merchantmen."

-Vizeadm. Galster K (post mort.) 1956, The Naval Question: Collected Papers and Letters, edited by Dr. Ernst Jablonka, Universitätsverlag Heidelberg.




Wow, Frau Zelle, you've been busy.

English designs, you say? My, my, don't mind if we do...



Godverdammt, the Brits are building hard.

The German analysts get cracking on the blueprints. The end conclusions are not encouraging.

First things first: this thing is fast. It has three knots on the Zähringens and it also has a respectable, eleven-and-a-half inch belt. It's no dreadnought, but it's enough to cause our 12-inchers problems at long range. And it will be able to keep our heavy hitters at range, because it's faster and it can dictate the engagement.

And its guns are made for long-range engagements. It cannot dish out the same volume of fire as the Zähringens (not even close), but it is armed with the dreaded British 15-inch rifles. Eight of them. The analysts have no idea what the capabilities of these weapons are, but they are sure to give the Zähringens problems, especially if we're talking about long-range, plunging fire down into the Schlachtkreuzers' two- and three-inch decks.

Finally, the British (unlike the French and Japanese) have fire-control directors.



On the other hand, there are some good news, too. Firstly: these are medium-sized ships. They are just now under construction and yet they are not significantly bigger than the five-year-old Wittelsbachs. The Zähringens enjoy a considerable tonnage advantage here - they have the displacement to simply absorb more damage than the Sutlejs. Also, the Brits have no Superimposed B turrets. These ships have a decent-to-fearsome broadside, but they will be utter **** in any battle where they will have to pursue their opponent.

And their turrets...

The German analysts are uncertain of whether the blueprints are accurate, here. Germany's own experience has confirmed that weak turret armor is a recipe for turret jams and, potentially, even disastrous magazine hits. The Sutlejs have 10-inch turret front armor, to the Zähringens' 13.5 inches. Is it a mistake? Is it a design feature? A compromise? Do the British know something that the Germans do not?

Or -oh, the utter dread of the idea- do they have some new armor alloy? Something that Germany lacks? How far behind are we!?

This is very, very worrying...



Well, it's folly to expect to match the British in naval artillery, given the Erzfeind's head start. It makes more sense to invest in a tried-and-true weapon. Ten more modern submarines leave the slipways in February.



And in April, this. Hah. Well, if we can't match their rifles, we'll surpass them in ammunition quality.



Three months from completion, the workers have reached the Mackensen's superstructure. It is time to install the fire-control systems. It is worth reminding the reader that the Zähringens were originally designed with Central Firing systems in mind, not Directors; the modifications will take an extra month to complete but that's a no-brainer for Galster and Tirpitz.



And then, everything goes to ****, very, very quickly.

Java had been a Dutch colonial holding since 1815, when it was ceded back to the Dutch by the British. The Dutch had maintained strict order on the island throughout the 19th century, including bringing a local civil war to a forceful end. Now, on the other hand, with local nationalism gaining roots, a dramatic series of riots shook the island and impacted the foundations of Dutch colonial rule.

The British, seeing an opportunity to re-establish a base of operations in the Far East, on a holding that economically and strategically dominated the Indonesian islands, dispatched a force to 'assist' the Dutch in quelling the riots. Notably, the Dutch had requested no such assistance; and, in some distress, they sought support from the new rising Power in the area: Germany.



Von Mecklenburg, for once, fully stood behind Kaiser Wilhelm's thunderous polemic against the British interventionism - and this stance fully endeared him to his monarch and solidified his position as Reichskanzler until his death. It took his government less than two days to convene, discuss and come to a conclusion regarding the Java Crisis: following that, an ultimatum was delivered by the German Ambassador to Whitehall, on the 26th of April. The British forces were to be recalled, immediately, and to the satisfaction of the Dutch allies of His Majesty the Kaiser's Government; if orders to that extent had not been given within fourty-eight hours from the time of receipt of the ultimatum, the Ambassador of His Majesty, George V, would no longer be welcome in Berlin and a state of war would be in effect between Germany and the United Kingdom.

An exchanged of surprised and increasingly panicked telegrams from England followed, only to be met with stony, uncompromising determination from von Mecklenburg. Quietly, the German army began mobilising. The Hochseeflotte (the Wittelsbachs having just completed their maintenance cycle after their return from the Far East) made steam and left their harbours.

The world held its collective breath, waiting for the bang.

And then, to the stunned surprise of everyone, on the morning of the 27th of April, the squadron of acting Vice-Admiral Sir David Beatty receives a recall order from the Admiralty. They are to pull away from Java and cease and desist with any operations in the area.

Britannia has backed off.





Not without a considerable amount of ill will, of course. Von Mecklenburg is very much aware that this cannot be the end of this matter. For the first time in a century, British interventionism has been challenged directly; she cannot allow this challenge to remain unanswered, or she risks losing everything.



The pace is now frantic. As tensions slowly, slowly bleed off, the Admiralität focuses on completing the Zähringens on time for the inevitable clash. Zähringen herself is close to completion: the workers are now installing her fire Directors.



No. Stay focused.



Perfect. This is the last piece of the puzzle that Germany needs right now.



And this gives her the money necessary to move to the next step of Tirpitz's and Galster's rearmament program.

On the 5th of July, the Mackensen is formally commissioned into the German Navy and departs on her shakedown cruise. She is a behemoth, nearly twenty thousand tons heavier than any other ship afloat. And her mighty bulk in the Baltic makes German morale soar.

Kaiser Wilhelm's constant polemic provides a constant undertone of war-drums, all through these months. His darlings are now ready to carry out his will; he has no more need of the Spionspiel. For the first time in years, he speaks his mind, openly.



There is some...collateral damage. But nothing too bad...



Nothing too bad....?



Goddammit, Wilhelm, we're trying to fight the British here. Stop trying to bring the entire world down on our heads!





Meanwhile, it's time for some changes. With Mackensen operational, funds are released for the construction of a flotilla of twelve Zerstörer, bigger and faster than anything Germany had built before. They displaced eleven hundred tons and were armed with three centreline 100mm guns. They also carried four torpedo tubes, in double launchers, a significant innovation in the German Navy.

Perhaps more significantly, they each carried dual-purpose mine rails, able to both lay mines and launch the new German depth-charges, when called upon to perform ASW duties.



Germany also lays down two next-generation heavy cruisers, unlike anything the world has ever seen before. They are the pioneers of the All-or-Nothing armor scheme, with underwater protection to rival the Zähringens and a blistering top speed of 32 knots - almost enough to keep up with the Zerstörer flotillas and certainly enough to catch up with any light cruiser in existence. They carry a 5-inch belt, enough to bounce 6-inch shells with ease; a 2-inch, splinter-proof deck; modern fire-Directors. And, more importantly, they carry twelve 9-inch rifles, mounted in four triple turrets. There is no light or heavy cruiser in the world that can stand against such armament.

These are the raider-killers of the German Navy. These are the ships that are too fast to be countered by enemy capitals and too powerful for any light cruiser to have a chance against them. There is no compromise here (except, perhaps, the anemic turret armor): the Prinz Heinrich and the Freya are built to be the worth successors of Hertha and her sisters.

They are also bloody massive. At nearly 17k tons, they are bigger than most pre-dreadnought battleships. But Galster can't help but drool when studying their blueprints.

And then, Frau Zelle comes along with her newest scoop, this time from the Italians. And Military Intelligence finally figures out what the Brits have been planning to hurt Germany.



**** you, Brits. No, really, **** you.

The Italian battlecruiser is an almost exact copy of the Japanese one, down to the shape of her superstructure. 'Parallel development' my ass.



Ooooohkayyy.

There's a brief discussion in the Admiralität regarding how to best counter these beasts. Experimental designs of quadruple turrets are put forwards. This would mean that the successors to the Zähringens would be able to carry...oh...twenty-four 12-inch rifles.

But the Admirals are not impressed by the complicated blueprints. Too liable to jam or break in combat situations. And, frankly, Germany needs to focus on upping her gun calibers. Scattershot is useful, but only up to a degree...



Yeeeeees.



And then, Russia pokes the Baltic states again; and the Kaiser, now in full anti-British mode, makes a very ill-advised comment towards the Russians and their potential being in the pocket of the British.



Von Mecklenburg scrambles for damage control - but it's too little, too late. Tensions with Russia spike once more.



Von Mecklenburg is pulling out what little hair he has left - chances are now very high that Germany will have to deal with a war on two fronts. Or even worse - that the next war will be another delaying affair with Russia, while the Brits build up their forces even further. But Tirpitz and Galster come to his aid. In a joint effort with the Navy League, Krupp and most of the large shipbuilding industries of Germany, they push for a raise in the Naval budget - and are not discreet at all about whom they consider to be Germany's next enemy.



As we enter 1916, the British Foreign Secretary fires back a formal protest; and tensions with Albion spike again. It's now a close race between The Brits and the Russians, with a very real danger of a tripartite war...

Meanwhile, Tirpitz uses his increased funding to refurbish all the old Piepers. It'll take less than two months - a safe enough margin.



****ING HELL, BISMARCK WAS RIGHT.

KILL THE LEFT. KILL IT WITH FIRE AND STEEL. KEEP THAT **** OUT OF THE NAVY.




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#MGGA

Yes, the Prinz Heinrich has a heavier weight of fire than any T10 cruiser in WoWs, in 1916.

This is fair and balanced, and those turrets with 3-inch facing armor will certainly not bite us in the ass, nosiree.

Also note that the P.H.-class has half the OTL Iowas s.h.p. rating, on less than half her displacement, while still burning coal.

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[Excerpt from: "The Triangle Ships" by Ian McDonough, published 2009]

[...]
Britain then started a new strategy. It was painfully obvious to the Royal Navy that the germans had qualitative advantages; not quantitative, perhaps, but on a ship-for-ship basis, the new construction Germany was going to complete soon was vastly superior to what the british shipyards were able to produce. After the conclusion of the Japan crisis, however, Britain was able to find new friends there. The IJN quickly determined that the years of stagnation they were suffering under would have to end if Japan was to reclaim her rightful place as the preeminent power in Asia, and they were thus receptive when the british ambassador approached them with a novel plan. Back at the turn of the century, he pointed out, Britain was the world's shipyard: Almost everyone either contracted with british yards directly to build their capital ships, or had consulted with british designers on their homegrown designs. While the germans were able and willing to pour money into their research establishments, nations like Japan with an empire to administer couldn't match them in that regard, but what if we collaborated in order to curb the german threat?

Soon thereafter, secret agreements were drawn up. Design teams from the UK and Japan started to work on a new capital ship design, accomplishing together what had eluded them separately: Come up with a design that would certainly give the germans pause. The parameters for the design were: 1. Enough speed to dictate the terms of any engagement with the german battleline, 2. Enough firepower to punch through the german armor at range and finally 3. Enough weight of fire to guarantee hits even taking into account the less advanced fire control technology available to them.

The design was so successful that it was even offered to the Italians, who jumped at the chance to rebuild their Navy. As a result, analysts all over the globe were suddenly scratching their heads when they compared their notes and discovered that, apart from a few cosmetic differences (the italians put the captain's cabin on starboard, the japanese to port), the italian Amalfis and japanese Kuramas were identical. While it didn't take long for the truth to come out, this sort of arrangement was unprecedented: Three nations, collaborating on the design for their most prestigious weapons, without even a hint of formal treaties.
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...Wow, you write fast.

I...I mean- I AM APPEASED. THIS IS A SATISFACTORY OFFERING.

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Also note that the P.H.-class has half the OTL Iowas s.h.p. rating, on less than half her displacement, while still burning coal.

Are you sure it's coal they're burning? Cos it might be they're actually running nuclear power plants in there.....
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I have a bad feeling that there's going to be a treaty coming up limiting ships to 35k tons.  Because that seems like the thing that would utterly **** everything you've been doing, and RNGesus does not appreciate win streaks.

 

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Also note that the P.H.-class has half the OTL Iowas s.h.p. rating, on less than half her displacement, while still burning coal.

Are you sure it's coal they're burning? Cos it might be they're actually running nuclear power plants in there.....

Why...no. Of course not. No Wunderwaffen to see here. Move along.

Move along...

I have a bad feeling that there's going to be a treaty coming up limiting ships to 35k tons.  Because that seems like the thing that would utterly **** everything you've been doing, and RNGesus does not appreciate win streaks.

Well, I can neither confirm nor deny that this will happen. If it does, however, consider the following:

  • You may retain already-built ships. It is only the ships that are currently being built that get scrapped. This would, effectively, secure the fact that Germany has the two biggest ships in the world (assuming treaty hits before the Graf Spee is finished).
  • Such treaties essentially massively shift ship construction towards CAs. What a coincidence that Germany has just laid down the hands-down best heavy cruisers in the world.
  • You immediately repudiate any treaties you're a signatory to if war breaks out.

International diplomacy will not save you, Brits... :drevil:
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#MGGA

Yes, the Prinz Heinrich has a heavier weight of fire than any T10 cruiser in WoWs, in 1916.

I was about to mention that your CA design looks suspiciously like Hindenburg.
Looking forward to see how they hold up in combat ;)
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Is there any point to giving destroyers, torpedo belts? Or would a single decent sized torpedo be the end of a DD regardless of a layer of fat?
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In RL, Destroyers hit by torps are straight dead. A good torpedo defense requires multiple hulls, compartmentalization, and enough structural strength to cope with massive amounts of flexing; Destroyers simply don't have the room for those.

That being said, DDs are also fast and maneuverable enough that they are almost impossible to hit even with guided torpedoes (assuming, of course, that the DD skipper does a minimum amount of evasive maneuvering).
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Yes, but this aint real life. Thus I wonder

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Sadly, what The_E said.

It is theoretically possible to equip a DD with a torpedo belt, but the DD has just too little displacement. A torp would blow up the hull with BOTH its belts easily.

Might as well use the hundreds of tons to add more guns, torps or horsepower.
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Clearly the answer is to make bigger destroyers then :P
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Re: Enioch's naval shenanigans - RTW as Germany - [Image Heavy!]
Sadly, anything above 1.5k tons is auto-classified as a light cruiser.
'Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent'  -Salvor Hardin, "Foundation"

So don't take a hammer to your computer. ;-)

 

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Re: Enioch's naval shenanigans - RTW as Germany - [Image Heavy!]
But then how is russia going to make Khabarovsk's???

Could you in theory, just bumrush/zergrush any enemy fleet with a mass of speedy destroyers packed with torpedo mounts, and accept that you'll lose a bunch each battle? But still come out victorious each engagement? Or will the A.I. start designing ships that counter DD's too hard after a while?

Also was not claiming the colony that had oil, after the most recent war with ninippon, really worth the extra bit of war reparation money? Oil boilers seem like they're one of the most significant technological advancements.
Urutorahappī!!

[02:42] <@Axem> spoon somethings wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> critically wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> im happy with these missions now
[02:44] <@Axem> well
[02:44] <@Axem> with 2 of them