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Which game is better, Freespace 1 or Freespace 2?

Descent/Conflict: FreeSpace - The Great War
21 (38.2%)
FreeSpace 2
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Voting closed: October 23, 2002, 11:48:25 am

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Offline diamondgeezer

Amen to that. This is why the VBBSW forum got shut down.

To be honest, I've played precisely two games on PXO. I have been thinking about playing again since I got ye olde broadband put in, but I really don't play FS2 any more, save play testing (and I avoid that like the plague :nod: ). Unfortuantely for me, when I moved to this city to begin my degree I discovered a whole new world outside my computer. Frankly, it's got better graphics and the AI is more believable. And, if people flame you you can punch them :)
« Last Edit: November 21, 2002, 09:15:34 pm by 170 »

  
Considering the 'name calling' actually STARTED with Templar over there, I think he should stfu himself ;) Ain't really my problem if my points are valid because I know how the game works, and which way things are supposed to be used, ya know..properly..?

It's like giving a child an AK, they can kill with it, yeah, but I doubt they could do an efficient a job as a trained soldier...
And whilst the kid might think the AK is REALLY COOL!!!!!!!!!!11oneone, the trained soldier would think "I gotta use this ****..? Great, where's my MG1?" or whatever.

Point being, you seem to neglect the fact that our skill levels DO Give us the Primary Say on it's gameplay, we know the twists, and turns, better then anyone when it comes down to how things work in the game, you wanna challenge us on that? Your funeral.
And no, we don't back down from that because as cocky as it sounds /WE KNOW/ we're right.

We've gone over the storyline, this is mainly again, personal preference, I compared FS2 to an American Thriller (Which is what most of my friends call it alright? because most 'thrillers' are american, they put you on constant climactic let downs, then just drop you and kick you around a bit, then build up a climax again, it all gets very dull because it's not actually scary...)
FS1, albiet a slightly simpler plot, REALLY DELIVERS the blows in comparison, you feel it more FAR MORE when you lose The Galatea compared to when you lose 3rd fleet, or The Collosus, Crap, you get much more from the urgent queues of impending doom, and a much empowered sense of 'you can make a difference' which you do, it's a last ditch effort, but you do.
FS2? Blah.

Just don't try it on about the game play, oki? ;)
« Last Edit: November 21, 2002, 10:15:12 pm by 456 »
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Offline Knight Templar

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Wait, lemme get this straight.


You guys play with your joysticks more than 20 hours a week give or take more than "the rest of us" so that means you get the final say on wether the freespace series is good or not?


:lol:
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Wait, lemme get this straight.


You guys play with your joysticks more than 20 hours a week give or take more than "the rest of us" so that means you get the final say on wether the freespace series is good or not?


:lol:


...Yeah I need that Tokayama quote again....

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I was talking, about the gameplay part of it, 99.9% of your contributions towards the game play of the two games have been flawed, oki? Merely what I mean =P
Ya know, same way I was told I didn't know what I was talking about in the other thread (true, I didn't) you, obviously don't know what you are talking about here.
Now hush =P
"Neutrality means that you don't really care, cuz the struggle goes on even when you're not there: Blind and unaware."

"We still believe in all the things that we stood by before,
and after everything we've seen here maybe even more.
I know we're not the only ones, and we were not the first,
and unapologetically we'll stand behind each word."

 

Offline Knight Templar

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oooo that was "clever" ina paragraph if i've ever seen it.


:doubt:
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Equally as valid as yours I suppose?
Oh deary me, brilliant come back...the copout....:rolleyes:
"Neutrality means that you don't really care, cuz the struggle goes on even when you're not there: Blind and unaware."

"We still believe in all the things that we stood by before,
and after everything we've seen here maybe even more.
I know we're not the only ones, and we were not the first,
and unapologetically we'll stand behind each word."

 

Offline Knight Templar

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:lol:


Seriously though.. why are you guys even in here talking all this ****? Dude, you're a good pilot, so what? That doesn't make you an expert on The Games story line or ships or anything.

Yay, you can dodge beams and kill a Ravana in 3 minutes! Whopedy-dee! why not just go 0wn PXO instead of coming here and shouting non-sense at deaf ears?

I'm not saying I can fly better than you, so loose the gay ass fighter jock attitude that is so infamous. Granted you've played FS1 and FS2 for sometime no doubt, and that gives you more experiance than say somebody who just bought the game. But just because you are whatever number in your league online doesn't make you god of the Freespace vs Freespace thread.

Us "modders" (who for whatever the hell reason, you think you are better than) have just as much knowledge of "what we are talking about" as you. If this were a thread on PXO or piloting tactics, then I might not say anything, as I tend to not like to form an opinion until I know what I am choosing.
« Last Edit: November 21, 2002, 10:46:48 pm by 675 »
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Offline CP5670

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Re: Oh for the love of god..
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:wtf:

Who do you think you are?

I Don't Care

~ How good you think you are
~ How good you are on PXO

So kindly shut up. Discuss your prefrences over each game, but don't flame or boast about how many n00bies you've beaten on PXO. Nobody cares. It only makes you look like a total jackass. Discuss the games and their aspects, but if you want to boast or flame.. you have an entire squadwar forum to spam.


That about sums up my thoughts on this.

Actually, I remember in the VBB squadwar forum years ago, there used to be these long heated arguments at almost all times, and maybe half of them ended up with the usual boasting of "I have more m4d sk1llz than j00 so I am correct about everything, and if you don't believe it come and duel me!!" It was just ridiculous. :p

Just for the record btw, I used to be quite a FS2 PXO player myself, but went more into singleplayer and mods over time. :D
« Last Edit: November 21, 2002, 10:54:20 pm by 296 »

 

Offline Knight Templar

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Tell me bout' it..

damn this thread brings back some old demons..  perhaps I can persuade an admin to bury it.  :nod:
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That's all well and good, however, whilst you were talking about the actual styles, and weapon values of the game as a group, we had the greater experience, I have, indeed, been playing FS1, and 2, since they were both released, online only about err.. must be 5years now.
I don't claim things I don't know for sure, unless stated 'I ain't sure but' or whatever, but with gameplay, it is as such...heh, point is, you take diamond for example, he plays only to test, and avoids that too eh? 'yup it shoots pretty beams and doesn't crash, ok good enough for me' uhm... =P
Storyline wise, as I think I said earlier, I had to take FS1 apart at great lengths, and then had to expand upon that taking FS2 into account, Suprisingly enough, the group, and the teacher, prefered FS1, simply, because the story whilst simpler, is a better, and easier thing to convey, the game itself does it brilliantly, which is my point, FS2's storyline is just a mishmash of various elements, the transending plot isn't really very uhhh... hmm, can't think of the word..lol.. it doesn't keep it's focus...
You can see a student trying to explain this, "You desperately engage your after burners and try to make up the gap to the Lucifer, pushing your ship as hard as you can, getting to the node, you engage your subspace drives, and hope to hell that you can handle what's going to be on the other side, knowing you'll have no shields, knowing that there could be hundreds of fighters, vs your small taskforce of twelve fighters and bombers, you fight bravely, and strongly, to keep the enemy fighters down while your team mates go to work on the reactor subsystems, hoping you can buy them enough time to take the ship out before it gets to Sol...Earth...Home... With only a few minutes before the Lucifer reaches earth, you blow the final reactor, and break out of the subspace corridor into the Sol System, hitting your burners again you run from the blast of the Lucifer, deadly to your small ships, and so you make it home, to a hero's welcome, except you have been sealed in this small system, all alone...."

Or...Alternately...

"Messing around with the plot, more messing around, more messing around, ok, now we get to the main point"
"OH CRAP WE STOMPED ON A KILLER ANTS MOUND RUN!!!!"
"Hundreds of Sathanus Juggernauts pour out of the node,  making their mysterious way to the Cappella star, completely unstoppable by anything we have in our arsenal (cough cough liars...you just don't know how to fight), we decide because we cannot possibly hold even a candle to these ships that we will evacuate, during the evacuation, whilst you're fighting with their forces, you receive a warning from command, the Capella star has gone super nova... you have to get out, you have to leave the others, there's nothing you can do but jump....you jump as the tidal wave of gravitational, radiation, and heat passes by the point your ship had previously occupied, you make it home, losing Capella, but you have gained a possible ticket home...Earth....32 years....I wonder what she'll be like...."
« Last Edit: November 21, 2002, 11:15:34 pm by 456 »
"Neutrality means that you don't really care, cuz the struggle goes on even when you're not there: Blind and unaware."

"We still believe in all the things that we stood by before,
and after everything we've seen here maybe even more.
I know we're not the only ones, and we were not the first,
and unapologetically we'll stand behind each word."

 

Offline Shrike

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*grumbles about having been sent this.*

Play nicely.
WE ARE HARD LIGHT PRODUCTIONS. YOU WILL LOWER YOUR FIREWALLS AND SURRENDER YOUR KEYBOARDS. WE WILL ADD YOUR INTELLECTUAL AND VERNACULAR DISTINCTIVENESS TO OUR OWN. YOUR FORUMS WILL ADAPT TO SERVICE US. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.

 
****.
They *****, about this crap, just as badly as we are, not only that, but they use worse then MODers can't fly, with the stupid sw **** of the past, neglecting to mention it wouldn't really be a problem if they hadn't been as equally *****y about things as we were, "SW pilots just flame....blahblahblah...." ....uhh....go check your own posts hypocrits.
« Last Edit: November 21, 2002, 11:10:36 pm by 456 »
"Neutrality means that you don't really care, cuz the struggle goes on even when you're not there: Blind and unaware."

"We still believe in all the things that we stood by before,
and after everything we've seen here maybe even more.
I know we're not the only ones, and we were not the first,
and unapologetically we'll stand behind each word."

 

Offline BlackDove

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Well I think we won this argument the minute they all started going "I don't care"...of course you don't care...why should you? It just brings bad stuff on your mind, like being inferior in something...then the usual "sw.com, oh man they come from there, yeah, thats the reason we shouldn't listen to them, screw them, they only cause trouble and since sw.com was such a flameful place, they must be only the flaming assholes"...you people have any idea how many times that one has been used when the opposite side has nothing else to argue? :lol: It's getting to be one of those classic lines I'll have to quote for ma sig....

And knight, yeap it's been argued before, and yeap, it kinda had the same ending like this one's going to have :D

 

Offline Shrike

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But......but........ they are nothing but flamers!  :D ;)

On that note, I think it's time to get back onto a more rational and less inflamatority discussion style, mmkay?
WE ARE HARD LIGHT PRODUCTIONS. YOU WILL LOWER YOUR FIREWALLS AND SURRENDER YOUR KEYBOARDS. WE WILL ADD YOUR INTELLECTUAL AND VERNACULAR DISTINCTIVENESS TO OUR OWN. YOUR FORUMS WILL ADAPT TO SERVICE US. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.

 

Offline Knight Templar

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Well I don't remember exactly what I have or haven't said in this one, but what I meant to say wether i've said it or not is you are acting like the old vbb squadwar arrrogant stuck up, generally unpleasant people that nobody liked.

Just get over it. You aren't better than everybody else.  And the whole "modders can't fly" crap is arrogant and laughable. lol I wanna see what Stealth says when he sees this :wink:

At best, lets just keep this about which game you prefer ( Without Bragging/Flaming/ or complaining about the other game) And drop the "We are better than you, we fly PXO/SW people only flame" ****.. there's really no need for it here.
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Offline StratComm

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Ok, that's it.  BD, QD, get a clue.  You are in a modding forum saying, essentially, "we are right and no one can tell us otherwise."  So think that you are right, go ahead.  You are proving nothing to us other than that you are both arrogant, well, fighter jocks, who can't even break out of your own closed minds.  And the "I DON'T CARE" is not shutting you out because of some twisted inferiority, it's because we honestly DON'T CARE.

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sw.com, oh man they come from there, yeah, thats the reason we shouldn't listen to them, screw them, they only cause trouble and since sw.com was such a flameful place, they must be only the flaming assholes


And no, we didn't think that when you showed up here.  You have shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are indeed flaming assholes.  You came into a community where we, for the most part, get along, and have proceeded to attack us in every concievable way.  Go back to blasting N00b's, since that's all you seem to want to do.
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Offline CP5670

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Nobody is flaming you for being squadwar people (heck, I used to be one); rather, it is this "I am the best pilot around and therefore know everything" attitude that people do not like. StratComm is quite right there; nobody cares how good you are, and it is not helping your argument at all to sit on it like this. (yes, I can quite see that you are not saying it at all for argumental support but rather to boast) I usually took your side in the pxo players vs. modders fights on the VBB, being a member of both parties, but this sort of behavior is not at all what I was defending. Fortunately I know that not all multiplayer/SW people act like this. I am a SSCer and your fellow clanmate, so I will not say nearly as much as I would otherwise, but others will.

Oh, and your story things are very opinionated; as Shiva said, I think you have made up your mind to think that FS1 losses are somehow a bigger deal than FS2 ones. Every game review I have seen out there (20+), without exception, gives FS2 extra points for having a much better plot than FS1.
« Last Edit: November 22, 2002, 01:22:43 am by 296 »

 

Offline Knight Templar

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uh oh, now he's gonna insult you for reading gaming magazines..  :rolleyes:

seriously though, like CP and Strat, we were never dissin' you for being from SW, only acting like the infamous idiots that have gave SW a bad name in the past.  Do you not realize you are boasting or something?  

It's been said once, i'll say say it again,

Nobody Cares

You're number one on PXO? Awesome. Now why not set a good example instead of carrying around an arrogant, distasteful supierority complex that makes you look like a bigger n00b than anyperson who doesn't know what they are talking about here.
« Last Edit: November 22, 2002, 01:23:50 am by 675 »
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WE ARE HARD LIGHT PRODUCTIONS. YOU WILL LOWER YOUR FIREWALLS AND SURRENDER YOUR KEYBOARDS. WE WILL ADD YOUR INTELLECTUAL AND VERNACULAR DISTINCTIVENESS TO OUR OWN. YOUR FORUMS WILL ADAPT TO SERVICE US. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.

 
...Still....waiting on reply to my last storyline critique....
"Neutrality means that you don't really care, cuz the struggle goes on even when you're not there: Blind and unaware."

"We still believe in all the things that we stood by before,
and after everything we've seen here maybe even more.
I know we're not the only ones, and we were not the first,
and unapologetically we'll stand behind each word."