[Knight Templar]

wow

2 brit choppers crashed into eachother early today and now they think a patriot battery.

[Turnsky]

it's odd really, more military service men & women have been killed by accidents & friendly fire, than by actual enemies...

[Knight Templar]

that's how it usually is when Americans go to war


why do you think the canadians stuck out of this one?

[Tiara]

2 british choppers crashed into eachother -CONFIRMED-

2 British RAF airplanes downed by US patriots -CONFIRMED-

1 US airplane down -CONFIRMED (but cause as of yet unknown)-

US soldiers starts throwing grenades into his own barracks -CONFIRMED-

[deep_eyes]

NIce little link of airal view of baghdad.
CNN Satilite images.

[Tiara]

Meh, seen to many of those on television...

[Petrarch of the VBB]

Haven't we all.

[Zeronet]

Originally posted by Tiara
2 british choppers crashed into eachother -CONFIRMED-

2 British RAF airplanes downed by US patriots -CONFIRMED-

1 US airplane down -CONFIRMED (but cause as of yet unknown)-

US soldiers starts throwing grenades into his own barracks -CONFIRMED-

Only one RAF plane and there are no confirmed US airplanes down.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Zeronet


Only one RAF plane and there are no confirmed US airplanes down.

Well, must be those irritating, endless repeating news broadcasts....

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Tiara
2 british choppers crashed into eachother -CONFIRMED-

2 British RAF airplanes downed by US patriots -CONFIRMED-
1 RAF Tornado, not 2

1 US airplane down -CONFIRMED (but cause as of yet unknown)-
Unless you mean the Sky King that crashed on the first day of the ground war and killed 12 people, this hasn;t been confirmed]

US soldiers starts throwing grenades into his own barracks -CONFIRMED-

- US forces (Marines around Nasiriyah I think) have taken some 'heavy' casualties, no diea what the numbers are.

-US supply convoy ambushed, several killed

-5 (claimed) US troops paraded as POWs on Iraqi TV, images of (again, claimed) US dead also shown.  Is a definite breach of Geneva convention.

- Iraq claims it has destroyed 25 armoured vehicles and 10 tanks, no response from the US, but 1 APC was hit by and RPG killing 10-12 troops (I think)

- US troops ambushed by Iraqi troops claiming to surrender and wearing civillian clothes (no deaths AFAIK)

-The 7th (I think) Cavalry were advancing on an Iraqi posiotion which was set to surrender.  the Elite Republican Guard (Fed-a-yim or something similar) took over, and brought in civillian women and children to that bunker as human shields.

- ITN newsreader killed in friendlly fire incident whilst heading to Basra.  This is most likely because theere was an Iraqi troop truck and a civliian car with officers in it driving next to him.  The surviving journalist says he though the Iraqis were surrendering, so it's looks likely they were attempting to use him as a human shield

- US bomb lands in Turkish field (by accident), no deaths

- Claims that Iraqi civillians and troops are searching the banks of the Tigris for downed coalition aircrew, Coalition claims all aircraft accounted for.

- Kuwaiti, Royal Navy forces have caught 4 Iraqi minelaying vessels (around Umm Qsr i think).

- Claims that Iraq is repositioning missiles to face advancing coalition troops

- Reports the Kurds have been pushing forward in the North

Looks like the war is still going 'well' , but it's obviously not going to be the pushover predicted.  When you consider the size of Iraq, it's remarkable the gains made in just 4 days or so.  Although it looks like the Iraqis are playing dirty, using all the 'tricks' expected.

That's all I can think of.

NB:  Most of this is US, I think because they're pushing most aggressively forward.  Not sure on the UK troops.

[Tiara]

Well, I told ya it wouldn't be a pushover. And the hardest part is still to come, the nastiest weapons are still to be deployed by the Iraqi's, etc.

The precision bombing probably saved most of the Iraq gov. They just hid in a civvie building.

[Knight Templar]

The Traitor who threw the grenades into 3 tents and shot his commanders name was Ackbar (weird. All 3 Ackbars I know of in sci-fi and other stuff have been traitors)

Apparently he was an American Muslim against the war, yadda yadda yadda.

[Shrike]

Originally posted by Tiara
Well, I told ya it wouldn't be a pushover. And the hardest part is still to come, the nastiest weapons are still to be deployed by the Iraqi's, etc.

The precision bombing probably saved most of the Iraq gov. They just hid in a civvie building.

Oh come on.  The US could steamroll Iraq if they wanted to.  The reason they're being so timid is because this isn't a total war and they're not at war with the civilians, just Sadam and his supporters.

[Warlock]

Originally posted by Shrike
Oh come on.  The US could steamroll Iraq if they wanted to.  The reason they're being so timid is because this isn't a total war and they're not at war with the civilians, just Sadam and his supporters.

Heh ya and after all the "Don't hurt the civis!" comments, of course we knew Iraqi Gov would head into none targetted buildings,... the trick is those buildings won't have any of the crap they need and once troops hit the city it will be a building by building hunt for the ones they're looking for.

That Video of the US Troops that were executed,... is really as bad step for Saddam... all that will do is piss off the troops and steel them even more. Now where troops might have surrendered if they thought they were being out numbered chances are they'll fight hard as hell and realize there is no surrender.

Reason there's more deaths by accident than combat,.... one more media coverage,... it's something that's always happened... choppers go down....friendly fire happens,... just we now hear about it more.

Also keep in mind combat deaths by enemy are actually kinna rare. I mean it's been what ... 5 days now and we've lost a handful to actual combat ?

[CP5670]

Well, I told ya it wouldn't be a pushover. And the hardest part is still to come, the nastiest weapons are still to be deployed by the Iraqi's, etc.

The precision bombing probably saved most of the Iraq gov. They just hid in a civvie building.

you call a casualty ratio of some 1 to 500 so far anything but a pushover?

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Knight Templar
The Traitor who threw the grenades into 3 tents and shot his commanders name was Ackbar (weird. All 3 Ackbars I know of in sci-fi and other stuff have been traitors)

Apparently he was an American Muslim against the war, yadda yadda yadda.

His name is pronounced more along the lines of Ahk-bar - means "Great" in Arabic. I know because it happens to be part of the phrase Islamic terrorists yell out before they blow themselves and others up - "Allah Hu Akhbar" - "Allah is great".

I find it quite interesting that the US is severely downplaying the incident - can't blame them on one hand, but on the other.... well, I realize they can't exactly start to racially profile everyone like they do here in Israel, but something should be done - I just hope the right people learn the right lessons from this.

Anyway, here's a few links about the incident:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31674
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81898,00.html
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/22/sprj.irq.101.attack/index.html

[Bobboau]

HA!! they just found a chemical weapons factory!
take that France!
(note: the second coment was made in jest, do not be offended or suffer the consequences)

[aldo_14]

Iraq is the size of France, and far more inhosptibale terrain and weather wise.  You can't expect an easy vicotry by any means.

NB:
- Obviously the unconfirmed chem weapons plant - found near Najaf.  Pentagon / Coalition command not confirmed.
- Kurdish fighters have claimed a firefight in Northern Iraq was between Iraqi army and defectors.
- US forces have been flown into Northern Iraq and are advancing, with the Kurdish fighters, on the Northern oil fields
- The 2 RAF crew shot down by the Patriot have been confirmed as dead.
- Iraqi missile intercepted over Kuwait

NB:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2879461.stm

Very useful for keeping up to date, summarises everything that's happened so far.

NB2:  I don;t really like the poll title... this is suppossed to be Coalition effort... although I didn't want the war, now it's started I'll support both the troops of the UK, US and other countries.  I'm pretty proud of the efforts of the British forces, actually.

[Pez]

Originally posted by Bobboau
HA!! they just found a chemical weapons factory!
take that France!
(note: the second coment was made in jest, do not be offended or suffer the consequences)

But remember that "chemical weapons factory" that Clinton bombed in 1998 but it actually turned out to be a medical farmacy factory. I'm not saying that the one they found in Iraq aren't a chemical weapons factory but right now anyone with a little sense should realize that there is a huge propaganda war railing. I personally try not to belive anything the media writes right now. Like the last couple of days I have seen frontpages that says that Saddam is dead and this probably has to be the oldest tríck in the book (of propaganda).

[Turnsky]

somehow i don't think a pharmacitical (sp?) factory would have it's roof camoflaged or have 30 iraqi soldiers and a general guarding it, nor be surrounded by barbed wire..