[Sheepy]

would of made the movie that little more intresting if you asked me

[Levyathan]

Originally posted by Dark_4ce
It wasn't a definitive conclusion to a Trilogy.

Then you might want to give an example of what a definitive conclusion could be. Please.

Originally posted by Blue Lion
But he's talking to the Oracle, you never thought maybe they meant programs and not humans?

That doesn't make much sense. The conversation was about the newfound peace with men.

[Dark_4ce]

Originally posted by Levyathan

Then you might want to give an example of what a definitive conclusion could be. Please.
 

Return of the Jedi.
Return of the King.

[Styxx]

Originally posted by Dark_4ce
Return of the Jedi.
Return of the King.

I think he meant a conclusion to the Matrix story. And indeed, it would be hard to do something different without being ridiculously silly, cheesy, disappointing or stupid.

But that's just me.

[Sheepy]

anouther point, you all complain about the possibilty of neo still being alive, if you remember the matrix doesnt work with out the one, so inevitably hes going to turn up again in some shape or form ... wait actaully, it wouldnt have to be neo would it ... ah well

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Sheepy
anouther point, you all complain about the possibilty of neo still being alive, if you remember the matrix doesnt work with out the one, so inevitably hes going to turn up again in some shape or form ... wait actaully, it wouldnt have to be neo would it ... ah well

yeah, it wouldn't have to be Neo, because all "One" programs were inserted in different people.

and remember that now that the machines and men are at peace, there is no use for "the One" program

[Sheepy]

isnt the one actually bi product of people in the matrix having a choice in some way or another? or did get that bit wrong, i dunno, and we know the matrix is still running, cause there still in it at the end.

[Stealth]

The One is not necessary now that people are free to choose between the Matrix or the real world...

[Sheepy]

they already had choice, just they didnt really know about it, thats what i got from the whole confusing architect(sp?) scence at the end of reloaded.

Gah **** knows, i dont really care, the film wasnt too bad, got the adrenaline pumping at times, plot wasnt much but it entertained me in the way of big bright fight scenes ... so all in all it gets a thumbs up (im an easily pleased person)

[Dark_4ce]

Originally posted by Styxx


I think he meant a conclusion to the Matrix story.

Ah ok...

Well I dunno. I would have been happy with Neo in the end just using the EMP on the Logos. Or perhaps just destroying the machines in some über-mega plasma ball way in the real world, using his new found powers, freeing everyone, clearing up the clouds and just having everything be just dandy. Hell Neo could have died in that ending too, consuming himself in the blast,but at least it would all be over. No more machines, no more matrix, bo more clouds. Clean slate. We start again. And the a bloody clichéd monoluge by that bratty kid who used the APU, speaking about how everyone went back to the surface, helped the people from the matrix restart their lives and finally have a flashforward a hundred years to the future where people are living in cities again, kiddies playing in the park and a Statue of Neo in his Revolutions pose made out of black granite. Hell, throw in the even worse clichéd scene with a little girl and an old woman walking by with the girl looknig up at Neo and asking "Who is that Grandma?" The old lady smiles and replies "Oh thats a long story..." Pan to the sky that is partly cloudy and birds flying past the cam. And if you wanna bloody totally top it all off and STILL not want something definitive but just a final twist, you can add a little glitch where you see the matrix code for a second and then cut to credits.

*looks up...*
 

Ok. So its clichéd but definitive, and I would have been happier with that ending too.

[Styxx]

Originally posted by Dark_4ce
Ah ok...

Well I dunno. I would have been happy with Neo in the end just using the EMP on the Logos. Or perhaps just destroying the machines in some über-mega plasma ball way in the real world, using his new found powers, freeing everyone, clearing up the clouds and just having everything be just dandy. Hell Neo could have died in that ending too, consuming himself in the blast,but at least it would all be over. No more machines, no more matrix, bo more clouds. Clean slate. We start again. And the a bloody clichéd monoluge by that bratty kid who used the APU, speaking about how everyone went back to the surface, helped the people from the matrix restart their lives and finally have a flashforward a hundred years to the future where people are living in cities again, kiddies playing in the park and a Statue of Neo in his Revolutions pose made out of black granite. Hell, throw in the even worse clichéd scene with a little girl and an old woman walking by with the girl looknig up at Neo and asking "Who is that Grandma?" The old lady smiles and replies "Oh thats a long story..." Pan to the sky that is partly cloudy and birds flying past the cam. And if you wanna bloody totally top it all off and STILL not want something definitive but just a final twist, you can add a little glitch where you see the matrix code for a second and then cut to credits.

*looks up...*
 

Ok. So its clichéd but definitive, and I would have been happier with that ending too.

Well, that definately breaks no cheesyness clause.

And I think I'd kill them if they had the ending with the glitch like that.

[Dark_4ce]

Yeah. I think the glitch would have been too far. Just ending with everyone being happy and the machines dissasembled and used as pavement blocks or lamp posts. A total "Humanity wins! YEEE!" feeling. You can even cut out the monologue and the flashforward to the future, and just had it end with Neo going Supernova after killing Smith, destroying the machines, freeing everyone in the matrix and clearing up the sky. Cut to Zion and all the machines stop working. A bit Like Episode 1, but atleast humans won in the end. And the kid can happily scream "The War is over!" and actually mean it and then cut to credits.

[Levyathan]

Oh. My. God.

[Setekh]

Originally posted by PhReAk
i saw it on wednesday.  nice movie and special effects.  can't say i liked the final fight between neo and smith, but it did make sense since -neo=smith so smith+neo=0.  also with neo's death, smith had no purpose and got deleted.  i guess we were expecting so much due to the hype and nothing would have satisfied us.

Totally agree, especially with the -neo=smith bit... I felt really happy when I figured that out. Kinda reminds me of Phantom Menace... too much hype ruins it.

[Su-tehp]

Originally posted by Sheepy
on the point about merv being a one ... the fact that he says its his job to know things and to collect infomation about 100 times in the second and third films doesnt slightly indicate that he a program to do just that?

Yeah, I never thought the theory of the Merovingian being a former One made sense either. Besides, in Reloaded, after the fight with the Merovingian's goons, the Merv said to Neo, "Mark my words, boy, and mark them well. I survived your predecessors, and I will survive you!"

If Merv was a former One, wouldn't he have said "our predecessors" instead of "your predecessors?":wtf:

Just a thought...

[an0n]

I think DA's 'old woman' idea woulda been the best, but ending it with the statue of Neo being totally old and ruined, covered in bird-crap and what-not, the accompanying plaque having long-since been faded to little more than a dull plate of metal. Kids swinging off the arms and chasing each other around it. Then we pan out a little to see a robot walking along with a spong-mop and a bucket of soapy water. It reaches its mop into the bucket, lifts it to the statue to clean it off, then, at the last possible moment, pulls back the mop, picks up the bucket and walks off down the street...........

[an0n]

And in regard to the Smith and Neo thing, it's kinda obvious that if Neo is The One™, then it follows that Smith would be The Nothing™.

Neo creates peace, harmony and prosperity for both man and machine-kind. Smith destroys everything.

Basically, the whole personal battle between Smith and Neo equates to a simple true/false statement.

[Sandwich]

...Yeah!! Neo and Smith are like matter and anti-matter....... PING-PONG BALLS!!!!

Seriously, I think the Neo-Smith showdown at the end is right up there with the Yoda-Dooku battle in the annals of, erm... Anal Good Guy v.s. Bad Guy™ records. *shudder*

[Descenterace]

The Neo vs. Smith fight scene at the end was possibly the worst in the film.  It was far TOO unrealistic.  I think the choreographer took the day off when they made it.

On the other hand, the Defence of Zion was pretty cool.  Lotsa BIG guns...

Story as a whole: not unpredictable.  It's quite interesting to look back at the various predictions people made about where the story would go.  Everyone was looking for really tiny insignificant details pointing to a surprising ending, while totally disregarding the KISS principle, 'Keep It Simple, Stupid'.
They should've been looking for an overall trend, eg. the series tending towards being a pure action movie.  I kinda guessed that it was going to end up just being a showdown between Neo and Smith that saves the day.  Nothing complicated, just a bog-standard Good vs. Evil last stand.  Pretty pathetic end to a great series.

[Dark_4ce]

Originally posted by an0n
...Then we pan out a little to see a robot walking along with a spong-mop and a bucket of soapy water. It reaches its mop into the bucket, lifts it to the statue to clean it off, then, at the last possible moment, pulls back the mop, picks up the bucket and walks off down the street...........

Yeah, that would have been even beter!