[Levyathan]

Originally posted by Devils_Hitman
Also, why is there a matrix!!, machines can survive in space, why they **** dont they go up there and make a big solar array? lol, or just use fission.

Because if they did, there wouldn't be much of a story.

Or maybe it was their intent to preserve humanity. Remember, in the beggining all they wanted was peace.

[Devils_Hitman]

Originally posted by Levyathan

Because if they did, there wouldn't be much of a story.

Or maybe it was their intent to preserve humanity. Remember, in the beggining all they wanted was peace.

lol, did u watch the animatrix?, humans started it.

[Levyathan]

Originally posted by Dark_4ce
I don't think so. The Architech said "Those that want to leave." He never said anything about everyone being free. There never was any implication that everyone in the matrix is free.

If you took the ones that want to stay in the Matrix out of it, how free would they be?

Originally posted by Dark_4ce
Would the machines REALLY just let go of its power source?

Not everyone would leave the Matrix. In fact, I'm betting a lot of people would rather stay there.

Originally posted by Dark_4ce
And even if they would where would they all go? ZION? Hell they can barely live as they are.

But humanity is not at war anymore. The surface can be rebuilt.

Originally posted by Dark_4ce
No. Things are back to the way they were on the most part, just that people in the matrix have choice now, IF they find out its a dream.

I could be wrong, as I've watched the movie just once, but from what I understood, people would be given the choice of waking up.

Originally posted by Dark_4ce
I mean if what you say is true, then all the plot elements the Wachowski's are writing for Matrix Online is just bull. And MO is going to take place after Revolutions. So why play a game where you're fighting agents when in fact things should be all peacefull.

I haven't played Matrix Online yet, nor have I read the story the Wachowski brothers are writing for it. So I can't comment on it.

[Levyathan]

Originally posted by Devils_Hitman
lol, did u watch the animatrix?, humans started it.

That's what I just said.

[Stunaep]

okay, let me adress one thing.

Let's assume for one, that Neo is dead. He died, because the Smith inside him exploded. Because somehow the Deus Ex did it. So did every other smith, as a chain reaction. So, everyone else in the matrix should also be dead.

Also, the machine are going to freely let go of every human who wants to leave the matrix. They're going to give up their food. I can live with that. Only it means there will be a sequel.

Also, the Reloaded ended with a lot of questions. The philosophical jibba-jabba the Architect made about the previous ones, the people who were supposed to rebuild the matrix, the door Neo was supposed to choose, cause and effect, the entire shiznit with the Merovingian, Persephone, The Trainman, the Twins (who even didn't ****ing appear in the second movie), is paid off how in Revolutions?

It's not.

You can pose unanswered questions in a Andrei Tarkovski film. Not in a hollywood money hog.

[Dark_4ce]

Ok. I guess people could go to the surface to live. Since its peace time. But then what Dozer said about Zion being the last remnant of humanity cause its close to the core, where its warm, wouldn't make sence. I mean, they went there because it was warm. So it means it would mean the surface is inhospitable. But people are resilient, and not having ten thousand squiddies breathing down your neck also probably makes the difference for people to find a way to live on the surface.

Matrix Online isn't out yet though. I've only read the FAQ at its website. www.matrixonline.com . So I don't know what they're going to write, but it did say that the brothers are writing for it. And continuing the story. And since fighting is going to be big in it as its also a MMORPG I came to the conclusiion that all is not well still in the Matrix.  Though I wouldn't mind if the Wachowski's would write the Matrix as books from now on. That wouldn't be bad. Cheap too.

[01010]

Originally posted by Dark_4ce
Though I wouldn't mind if the Wachowski's would write the Matrix as books from now on. That wouldn't be bad. Cheap too.

That's what I'm saying, less emphasis on *WOW KABOOM BADOOSH* and more on plot and character developmen. Plus no Keanu Reeves.

Woah.

[Su-tehp]

Originally posted by Dark_4ce
Ok. I guess people could go to the surface to live. Since its peace time. But then what Dozer said about Zion being the last remnant of humanity cause its close to the core, where its warm, wouldn't make sence. I mean, they went there because it was warm. So it means it would mean the surface is inhospitable. But people are resilient, and not having ten thousand squiddies breathing down your neck also probably makes the difference for people to find a way to live on the surface.

This just occurred to me: After watching the Animatrix: Second Renaissance, I can't help but think that the military must have had a way to reverse Project Black Star.

"Hmm, if we darken the sky, that means all the plants on Earth's surface won't be able to grow. If the plants don't grow that means all the herbivore animals will starve. If the herbivores starve, then the carnivore animals will starve. And if all the animals and plants are dead, then we humans won't have anything to eat. And if us humans don't have anything to eat, we'll all starve to death. But since the Machines are about to wipe us all out anyway, let's go ahead and royally f*ck with Earth's biosphere so we can take the Machines out with us. YIPPEE!!!!!" *insert frenzied applause here*

Wait, that sarcastic remark just illustrated why the military might NOT have had an antidote to Project Black Star... My bad.

Still, with humans and machines working together now, they just might find a way to reverse the scorching of the sky. And if not... well, if all I had to look forward to in the real world was eating a bowl of amino acid snot every day for the rest of my life, I'd probably stay in the Matrix too. Go figure...

[Levyathan]

Originally posted by Stunaep
Also, the machine are going to freely let go of every human who wants to leave the matrix. They're going to give up their food. I can live with that. Only it means there will be a sequel.

...Why?

[Flipside]

It has been stated that there will be no more Matrix Films.

As for this movie.... The ending, was I the only person to whom the phrase 'more luck than judgement' came to mind?

[Blue Lion]

Who said the humans were going to be freed? I never saw that anywhere.

[Dark_4ce]

In the end when the Architech speaks to the oracle he mentions that those that wish to go free can go free. Which in my oppinion is only a handfull.

[Flipside]

Well, there were humans willing to kill just to get back in again!

If I were offered a choice between 'reality' and a ShangriLa existence such as the first Matrix, I somewhat think I'd be asking 'Where do I plug in?'

Flipside

[Dark_4ce]

You know, I would have left the theater happy if Neo would have instead decided to go medieval on their ass and just use his über-powers to blow the big flying face to pieces, along with all the city. Or To make things more simple. Just use EMP on the Logos and wipe out the city, the Matrix, and Smith. Problem solved, the end. Oh well. Atleast it didn't end in "It was all a dream" way.

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Sandwich


Merv is a former one. Right. Convince me.

OK.  here's why i think that (I thought the hints they threw were quite easy to catch).  

Obviously the "One" can, when his purpose is complete, either return to the mainframe and face deletion, or hide in the matrix... the Oracle stated that this is the choice determining all "completed" programs.  Obviously the merovingian decided to stay in the Matrix.  here's the two reasons why i think that's the case:

1) (biggest reason):  Perciphone wanted Neo to kiss her.  she said she wanted a REAL kiss, because she wanted to "remember" what it felt like to get a kiss like that.  she said "a long time ago, when we first came here" or something like that... meaning that a long time ago, the Merovingian was the same as Neo... which was why she wanted the kiss from him.  she also said that "such a thing was not meant to last"... she knew that in the end their love would die somehow, as it did between the Merovingian and Perciphone, so it did between Neo and Trinity (she was right, because she'd experienced this before, she was in the place of Trinity)

2) When Neo, Trinity, the keymaker, and Morpheus faced the Merovingian, and his bodyguards in the armory (Matrix: Reloaded) Neo says "You go after the keymaker, i'll handle them".  The Merovingian is disgusted, and says "You'll 'handle' us?  You know your predecessors had a lot more respect".  I think that although he doesn't outright say that he was a former one, i think he was "The One" from either the first or the second matrix, probably the first... and he'd obviously faced "The One" before, but he also showed us that Neo was different from the others (remember he ordered his men to fire guns at Neo, and when Neo stops the bullets he says "OK, you have some skill"... this shows that Neo is different from the previous "One"s that he's faced).  I think it would make sense that he was a former one.  Probably the first "One" because he's one of the most powerful programs out there, and it would make sense that he's from the first "Matrix" because the first Matrix was perfect, and extremely efficient, so therefore all of its programs would be too.  Note Seraph and the Oracle, who are both also from the first Matrix... Seraph is highly respected, as is The Oracle, so it would make sense that the Merovingian is too.  he's able to hack the Matrix (as is Neo), which leads me to the final point:

3)  The Merovingian (a "One" whose program has expired and has sought refuge in the Matrix still maintaining his skill as a programmer, etc.) says to Neo (in Reloaded) (as he sends the blonde woman the chocolate cake) "You see it do you not Neo?", and at that point Neo looks and you see what Neo sees... the Matrix code (everything made of numbers) and you see the cake glowing gold... he then says that he's programmed it himself.  how would the Merovingian know that Neo can see the Matrix.  Only the One can see the Matrix code from within the Matrix... it's part of his programming, and if the Merovingian can see it too, then obviously he was also a former "One"

It's just my theory, but i think it makes sense

[Stealth]

you're all missing what they stated in the end (well, a lot of you)...  the war is OVER... which means machines don't control humans anymore.  the humans were given a choice (the architect clearly said that at the end) and those that wish to stay in the Matrix can, and those that want out will be allowed to be out.  I mean, i'm sure most of them would want to stay in the Matrix... it's the world they're used to!

Also, the Reloaded ended with a lot of questions. The philosophical jibba-jabba the Architect made about the previous ones, the people who were supposed to rebuild the matrix, the door Neo was supposed to choose, cause and effect, the entire shiznit with the Merovingian, Persephone, The Trainman, the Twins (who even didn't ****ing appear in the second movie), is paid off how in Revolutions?

Everything happened because Neo chose the door to go save Trinity, NOT to save the people of Zion... that was cause and effect.

[Splinter]

Originally posted by Stealth
you're all missing what they stated in the end (well, a lot of you)...  the war is OVER... which means machines don't control humans anymore.  the humans were given a choice (the architect clearly said that at the end) and those that wish to stay in the Matrix can, and those that want out will be allowed to be out.  I mean, i'm sure most of them would want to stay in the Matrix... it's the world they're used to!

ok im not sure that I watched the same movie as ALL of you because all of you say that the Architect says in the end about those who want to be free will be free but as I recall it went like this: Oracle "And the others?" Architect "they will be freed." yeah maybe im mistaken but that dosnt occour often when quoting movies

but so many of you thought it was the other way around im not so sure this time so dont kill me if im tottaly off.

[neo_hermes]

i think you right splinter....

[TrashMan]

Crappy movie....too many plot holes!

Too many logic holes...
A program that can see into the future? (Oracle)  - forget about the stupid loop theory, no one can determine what actions a human will take - let's face it - we're too unpredictable!

Neo dies, and then suddenly he's alive again?

Bah.. I can go on like this for hours, but I just don't have the time now...

[Setekh]

The only hole I can find in your theory, Stealth, is that Morpheus states that the earlier one (the one immediately before the current Neo) died (after which the Oracle prophesied his return). Not much of a point, but I always thought that the previous Ones all died of old age in Zion.