[Dark_4ce]

The war isn't over. When that kid was running around screaming "The war is over!" I think it was just him being overly happy. You could hear from the tone of the Architechs voice when he said "How long do you think this 'peace' will last?" and the oracle said "As long as it can." That means that it almost only seems like a cease fire, since both of them seem rather doubtfull that this was the END of the war.

[Flipside]

Yes, in fact it was the previous 'one' that freed Morpheus, he said as much in Matrix 1.

To be honest, they should have donated the money for the last 2 filmsto Tron 2

[Dark_4ce]

Wohoo! I agree...

[Styxx]

What you don't know is that, fifteen minutes after the movie was over, the machines decided to double-cross Neo (who's dead anyway) and obliterated Zion.

[Flipside]

LOL

IF NEO <> BREATHING
LET PROMISE = NOT(TRUE)
ELSE GOSUB(PANIC)

Originally posted by Dark_4ce
Wohoo! I agree...

Can you imagine the Tron Storyline where the programs have Matrixesque abilities

That WOULD be cool

Flipside

[Setekh]

Yeah, well, having been prepared by all you lot, I watched Revolutions solely for the effects. I wasn't disappointed.

[Stealth]

yeah i wasn't disappointed either

and Setekh:  that's true, but it's the only thing that explains the Merovingian... and particularly why Perciphone wanted to kiss Neo... you understand what i'm saying, right?

[Stunaep]

Cool. Me, myself didn't have this thread to look at before the film, and the last three films I saw before the matrix were also special-effects reels, so I guess that's why I hate the third sequel with a passion.

[Gloriano]

i just waited too much from Matrix revolution much better ending

[Levyathan]

Originally posted by Dark_4ce
That means that it almost only seems like a cease fire, since both of them seem rather doubtfull that this was the END of the war.

The war is over. It's just that the Oracle and the Architect can't know for sure if humans really learned the lesson. But they explicitly hope we did.

[Dark_4ce]

But how do you know its over? Where in the film is it certain the war is over? Except for a kid who sees the squiddies turn tail and gets happy and does a Jimmy Stewart from "It's a Wonderful Life"? And back to Matrix Online, if its over there would be no story in the follow up game. And then the whole thing about "Will we see Neo again?" And the oracle replying with something like "Probably" means that there will come a time again when things heat up again and people will need him again. Or actually, people are not happy and he emerges from their discontent which was pritty much the boiled down reason the architech gave in the 2nd movie.

It just seems like they couldn't tie things up because the matrix seemed like too much of a good comodity for WB and probably forced the brothers with lots of money to leave the end open for later developments. I'm not specifically saying films, I heard they wont make any anymore. But IE books/games/comics/anime series/collecting cards/cereal you name it. Its just how the business "over there" works nowadays.

[phreak]

i saw it on wednesday.  nice movie and special effects.  can't say i liked the final fight between neo and smith, but it did make sense since -neo=smith so smith+neo=0.  also with neo's death, smith had no purpose and got deleted.  i guess we were expecting so much due to the hype and nothing would have satisfied us.

[Levyathan]

Originally posted by Dark_4ce
But how do you know its over? Where in the film is it certain the war is over?

What did you expect, some kind of written agreement signed by both machines and men? Not even that would warrant eternal peace.

Originally posted by Dark_4ce
And back to Matrix Online, if its over there would be no story in the follow up game.

We don't have Matrix Online yet. You can't make assumptions based on it.

Also, Merovingian and his fellow exiles are able to withstand one more reboot. And they don't seem to behave nicely.

Originally posted by Dark_4ce
And then the whole thing about "Will we see Neo again?" And the oracle replying with something like "Probably" means that there will come a time again when things heat up again and people will need him again. Or actually, people are not happy and he emerges from their discontent which was pritty much the boiled down reason the architech gave in the 2nd movie.

The One will rise again when the Matrix needs upgrades.

[Dark_4ce]

...grumble... I dunno... It was just a weak movie in my oppinion. But I see what your getting at. But all the more reason why I dislike it. It wasn't a definitive conclusion to a Trilogy. Singular movies don't need to have a definitive ending, but a trilogy must damnwell wrap everything, and I mean everything up in the end. Especially when the whole thing was designed to be a trilogy.

In my oppinion its just a cop out to leave it "open" for more. meh...

[Blue Lion]

Originally posted by Dark_4ce
In the end when the Architech speaks to the oracle he mentions that those that wish to go free can go free. Which in my oppinion is only a handfull.

But he's talking to the Oracle, you never thought maybe they meant programs and not humans?

[Dark_4ce]

Oooh... Good point.

[Falcon X]

It was designed as two movies... not three.  The second just go too long.

[Sheepy]

on the point about merv being a one ... the fact that he says its his job to know things and to collect infomation about 100 times in the second and third films doesnt slightly indicate that he a program to do just that?

Also neo and smith fight, anyone else think itwas dragonball minus the fireballs?

[Styxx]

Originally posted by Sheepy
Also neo and smith fight, anyone else think itwas dragonball minus the fireballs?

Yep. I felt cheated when Neo didn't end the fight with a huge Kamehameha or whatever.

[phreak]

Also neo and smith fight, anyone else think itwas dragonball minus the fireballs?

thinking the exact same thing.  i was waiting for Neo to vape smith with a fireball.