[Dark_4ce]

Ugh. I just came back from watching it. Nothing special IMHO. I mean, it doesen't stand on its own two feet as an independent movie. So I have to think of it as the end of Reloaded. But still...

The action was good. Lots of eye candy. But come on... It was a rather lame concluding "episode" to the whole thing...

[Splinter]

Originally posted by Stunaep
JESUS CHRIST!

What a bunch of crap.

I regret paying $4 to see this movie.
I regret spending an hour in the bus stop afterwards.
I regret making my way through the camera man, the policemen and 800 fans to my seat.

Put it this way:
What we know will happen from the trailers and Reloaded:
Zion is attacked by machines. Neo encounters a big computer head, and battles Smith. Due to hollywood logic, the machines are defeated, and at least one main characters dies.

What happens: Zion is attacked by machines. Neo encounters a big computer head, and battles Smith. Due to hollywood logic, the machines are defeated, and at least one main characters dies.

Where's the revolution? Nope. No revolution. No actual plot. No character developement AT ALL. The SFX were lame. The action was drawn out. I actually cried "DIE ALREADY *****!" when a main character died.

Also, it was full of flaws. Most notably: It is established in the Matrix and also in Revolutions that whoever is posessed by an agent, dies. We learn that the Matrix has been conquered by Smiths. Everyone is Smith. Every Smith is killed. Ergo, everyone in the Matrix is killed.

Jeez. I want my two hours back.

EXACTLY! times X9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999

ARGH! Im going to murder the whicshkkoowzski (dont care how you spell it) brothers!

[Dark_4ce]

Though I have to say that I enjoyed the action and the movie. Its just that it was... lame. I can't explain why. Maybe its partly because it didn't end the way I wanted it to, perhaps it was because they suddenly threw all the dialogue out the window, maybe even because nothing really changed in the end.  I dunno. I just felt cheated.

[Levyathan]

As of now, I think it could have been better. There's a good chance I'll change my opinion after watching it again.

[Sandwich]

Lame, with some cool scenes (of course).

Plotwise the movie stunk to high heaven. I don't know how or why they pulled the Train Master out of their butts, but he was pointless. So was that whole thing with the "you're nowhere" non-location. Bleh.

They don't tell you who the french guy is, who Seraph is, who the ghosts from #2 were - nothing. And in the end, the only additional information you really have about the whole situation is what you got from the second movie, about Zion being wiped out and remade 7 times. Whoop-dee-doo.

[Windrunner]

i have to agree with stunaep. the movie was in my point of view just OK. not more. the thing i liked the most was the battle in zion and the battle between neo and smith. thats all

[Razor]

I didn't really expect that Smith would overpower Neo. I belive that Smith was too powerfull because as he enslaves people by copying him slef...he takes their life force thus that makes him more powerfull. Even though Neo kicked his ass in the previous two movies Smith grew very very very strong. The battle was an epic scenario. Two sides...good and evil...battleing it out. The future of the world in the hands of either of them. Yeah! I bet that not even Volition could think of a such a great epic battle.

[01010]

I think part of the problem lies with the potential the story has over what film decides to do with it.  I think that they'd make better books where the characters could stand to be developed more. Good action scenes though.

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Sandwich
I don't know how or why they pulled the Train Master out of their butts,


They don't tell you who the french guy is, who Seraph is, who the ghosts from #2 were - nothing.

Yeah the whole Train Master thing was pretty lame... but it brought out some funny scenes though, (like Neo trying to run through the tunnel )

That was easy to figure out man!  "French Guy" - Former "One". Ghosts were programs.  Seraph is a program from the first Matrix.

[Grey Wolf]

Originally posted by Razor

A bit OT, but can someone explain to me what the hell is up with the triple contradictory smile thing?

[Charmande]

Well... the war for Zion was great IMO.  It could have been a little more grand though, i mean they only had one of those "command towers', the one with the four or five big turret guns.  Also... they need something other than bullets... i didn't see a single missile or bomb or even a laser while they were fending off those sentinals.  don't the sentinals remind you of the Shivans?  it doesn't matter how many you kill cuz there's always a bajillion more.

Anyhow, the end was just pathetic, and neo's battle with agent smith wasn't nearly as great or as long as i would have liked.  Neo knocked smith into a wall, smith knocked neo into a wall, NOTHING NEW!

But like reloaded, this movie was worth watching just for the action scenes, specifically the battle at Zion.

Posted by Razor...

Yeah! I bet that not even Volition could think of a such a great epic battle.

Volition already thought of a greater, epiccer battle, and it's called Freespace!

[übermetroid]

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I'm not reading this until I watch the movin on IMAX on friday...

[Deepblue]

Originally posted by Charmande
Well... the war for Zion was great IMO.  It could have been a little more grand though, i mean they only had one of those "command towers', the one with the four or five big turret guns.  Also... they need something other than bullets... i didn't see a single missile or bomb or even a laser while they were fending off those sentinals.  don't the sentinals remind you of the Shivans?  it doesn't matter how many you kill cuz there's always a bajillion more.

Anyhow, the end was just pathetic, and neo's battle with agent smith wasn't nearly as great or as long as i would have liked.  Neo knocked smith into a wall, smith knocked neo into a wall, NOTHING NEW!

But like reloaded, this movie was worth watching just for the action scenes, specifically the battle at Zion.

 

Volition already thought of a greater, epiccer battle, and it's called Freespace!

That is the funniest thing I have read all day.

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Stealth
That was easy to figure out man!  "French Guy" - Former "One". Ghosts were programs.  Seraph is a program from the first Matrix.

Merv is a former one. Right. Convince me.

[Su-tehp]

Just got back from watching Revolutions earlier tonight. I really liked this movie. It played like a morality play: Neo is "Everyman" fighting against the Devil (aka Smith) who is his polar opposite. Neo and Smith fight, but it is only when Neo surrenders, stops fighting and gets "absorbed" by Smith that Neo wins the day and saves Zion. Neo still carried the original code the Architect mentioned in Reloaded, so when Smith absorbed him, the code spread to all the Smiths, then reasserted itself and "rebooted" the Matrix, thus freeing it from Smith's control.

What people might have missed is that Neo made a deal with Deus ex Machina (aka the big machine head in the Machine City aka the Original AI). Smith had absorbed EVERYONE in the Matrix and thus became a danger to even his fellow machines/programs. If Neo hadn't fought Smith, Smith would have eventually absorbed the machines in the real world. Smith proved that he could absorb humans in the real world when he took over Bane. It stands to reason that Smith might have also eventually found a way to absorb machines in the real world, thus even posing a threat to all the other AIs, including Deus ex Machina. So Neo bargained with Deus: Neo would kill Smith, thus ending the threat to the machines (and returing everyone still in the Matrix to normal) and in return, Deus would spare Zion.

The movie made sense to me...

[Splinter]

Originally posted by Su-tehp What people might have missed is that Neo made a deal with Deus ex Machina (aka the big machine head in the Machine City aka the Original AI). Smith had absorbed EVERYONE in the Matrix and thus became a danger to even his fellow machines/programs. If Neo hadn't fought Smith, Smith would have eventually absorbed the machines in the real world. Smith proved that he could absorb humans in the real world when he took over Bane. It stands to reason that Smith might have also eventually found a way to absorb machines in the real world, thus even posing a threat to all the other AIs, including Deus ex Machina. So Neo bargained with Deus: Neo would kill Smith, thus ending the threat to the machines (and returing everyone still in the Matrix to normal) and in return, Deus would spare Zion.

The movie made sense to me...

you rirght i didnt get that part... wow and considering they mentioned it like 5 times in the movie itself i must be an idiot

the battle between neo and smith in the end was the greatest joke of the matrix series... there was not ONE cool move... flying bashing into each other OH WAIT! the rain exploding! WOW!!!! so they fly he did that in the 2nd one... so they have huge strong punches... yeah thats whaat we want to see... the hulk, which by the way was better then this movie. they had crap in this movie for the "epic" battle they had big booms when they colided and thats it they fights were lame the flying was fine but it should be special like in the 2nd one where he does that crouch thing you know? that sends a tingle up my spine hehe. it should have been more like the fight seen in no.1 in the train station or in no.2 with 100 smiths

total let down. yes zion fight was cool.

[Dark_4ce]

After sleeping over this, I still come to the same conclusion. Its that nothing changed in the end that bothers me. I mean, in the first film NEO comes around and basically sets Smith free in the process. This creates a mess. A smith mess, that is adressed in the second film with Smith copying himself. Though its still only second to the danger posed by the machines on Zion. But I was still thinking from the first film that the ULTIMATE goal is to free all the people from the matrix. Anyway...

In the third movie, Smith's little escapades has reached epidemic proportions threatening now Machines as well as humans. And suddenly it takes center seat. As in its the largest problem now, and Neo must go and get rid of Smith to save humanity and also seing that it might pose a problem for the bots as well, cracks a deal in hopes that he can use it as leverage to help Zion. Deus Ex agrees, Neo goes in and fights, they cancel each other out. The end.

So what happened? Everything went back to the way it was. Sort of. Were back to square bloody one. Except Zion was saved this time, in a wreck with no ships ofcourse. And the Matrix rebooted again, with Humans having a choice to leave if they wish. But answer me this. If the humans are the machines source of power, I doubt the machines will let everyone go. Only the ones that "want" to leave. So in a sence the whole war has gone from a hot one to a cold one. The machines don't want to let go of the humans, so ofcouse it'll make them stay. Propaganda time.

So nothing changed, humans will still fight the machines in order to save humans from the matrix, albeit now a bit more quietly. So what was Neo good for? 2 things.

1. Keeping Zion around a bit longer.

2. Cleaning up his own mess. (Setting Smith loose)

Everythign that has a beggining has an end? Hmm. Ok, I can see that if you look at Neo. As in "You've had your time fooling around in the matrix buddy, time to die and give someone else a turn." But plot wise, its just a whole damn circle.

*Puts on a Smith voice*
"It was inevitable..."

Oh yeah, and that little girl... Whats her name, kitkat or whatever. So she has the über-powers now. Ok...

Meh... In the end it was all just a big reworking of Jesus's story.

Though, I must admit again, that even though the plot fell through the floor in the end, it was still a fun and entertaining movie to watch. Defenitely must be watched straight after two though. Cause its just the end of that movie. ITs not a stand alone film. Not by a long shot. Which is rarely a good thing.

Though watching the Zion fight, did make me need to close my eyes for a few seconds to get the to relax. I swear I was almost getting a seizure with all that flashing and stuff. But great eye candy!

[Levyathan]

Originally posted by Sandwich
Merv is a former one. Right. Convince me.

He may also be just another exile. Somewhat more powerful, perhaps, but still an exile.

I get the feeling that you want every single tidbit explained. That'd just be no fun. After all, what are the Shivans?

Originally posted by Dark_4ce
So what happened? Everything went back to the way it was. Sort of. Were back to square bloody one. Except Zion was saved this time, in a wreck with no ships ofcourse. And the Matrix rebooted again, with Humans having a choice to leave if they wish. But answer me this. If the humans are the machines source of power, I doubt the machines will let everyone go. Only the ones that "want" to leave. So in a sence the whole war has gone from a hot one to a cold one. The machines don't want to let go of the humans, so ofcouse it'll make them stay. Propaganda time.

Everyone connected to the Matrix now has the choice of staying there or waking up to the real world. The Architect explicitly says that. And he means it.

Originally posted by Dark_4ce
So nothing changed, humans will still fight the machines in order to save humans from the matrix, albeit now a bit more quietly.

The hell they will. Everyone is already free. Fighting to take people out of the Matrix would make no sense.

So the 'back to square one' thing is total bull****.

[Devils_Hitman]

I thort it was a big load of crap, story was unsatisflying and the acting was terrible.

Also, why is there a matrix!!, machines can survive in space, why they **** dont they go up there and make a big solar array? lol, or just use fission.

bah, all a heap of crud, they should of stoped at matrix 1, that was awsome

[Dark_4ce]

Originally posted by Levyathan

The hell they will. Everyone is already free. Fighting to take people out of the Matrix would make no sense.

So the 'back to square one' thing is total bull****.

I don't think so. The Architech said "Those that want to leave." He never said anything about everyone being free. There never was any implication that everyone in the matrix is free. Would the machines REALLY just let go of its power source? And even if they would where would they all go? ZION? Hell they can barely live as they are. No. Things are back to the way they were on the most part, just that people in the matrix have choice now, IF they find out its a dream. I mean if what you say is true, then all the plot elements the Wachowski's are writing for Matrix Online is just bull. And MO is going to take place after Revolutions. So why play a game where you're fighting agents when in fact things should be all peacefull.

In the end the whole trilogy was just Neo's story. Like I read somewhere, 1st one was about birth, 2nd about life, 3rd about death. So I suppose the brothers left the whole matrix still hanging around cause it seems they have other plans for it and it still has the potential to dish out a few more Games/movies/comics/anime.