[aldo_14]

Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
What's so funny?

I'm willing to forget about all the kiddy bull**** going on and all the tactless posts you made regarding the engine I'm using, but as much as you guys tell me that I dont know if its any good, how do YOU guys know its bad? You dont. So that is why I am getting the original Half Life tools and setting them up on my computer RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT. So, I'll be ready for Half Life 2 with the experience as well as the idea. Can you guys just TRUST me for once and let me handle it myself, just like everyone says?

Ill get it done. Its my saying: I dont do anything halfway.

I'm not laughing at you.............

[magatsu1]

I'd be surprised if the HL tools shared anything with the sequal's. But the only editor I've played with is UnDeadED so I've not much experience.

[Kazan]

Why do we think it's bad? Expierience with valve

[.::Tin Can::.]

And what experience might that be Kazan? I personally have had no trouble with them at all...

Did they just not pack your Ham Sandwich right, or include that extra umph you expected?

[SadisticSid]

You didn't hear about that dubious little 'incident' last year on the dawn of their promised release date then, I take it.

I hope HL2 is good, but I am pessimistic. Far Cry's already out, and seems the graphical equal of HL2 from what I've seen of it. Doom 3 may also arrive beforehand, which looks truly incredible, although I'm not holding my breath on that one. If Valve had released HL2 when they said they were - i.e. September last year - it would have probably beaten everything for the next year. But given Valve's silence and that stupid hacking thing, I am doubtful.

[Kazan]

Tin Can: for a second I thought you'd grow up and cut out the e-penis++ bull****

the the **** up

[Drew]

Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
Have you seen the screenshots for Half Life 2? I'm guessing not, but you really should if you think that the visuals will be "bleh". I didnt say we were using the orignial, I said we were using HL2, with the number "2" after it.

most game's visuals are "bleh" when run on the common hardware found in the HLP comunity. of us run TNT2's and Radeon 7000 and only a few big names like Bob, LS, omniscraper etc have cards good enuf and specs good enuf to run somthing like HL2 well.

Remmeber when Gearbox said that low end PCs would be able to play Halo PC? Yeah with the -useff command line (only base textures are renderd and *no* pixle shaders or lighting, the thing that made Halo look good) and in 800x600 res.

If you use any brand new engine, you will loose the ability of the main fan base to actually play the mod when it's released, unless i win powerball and im feeling generous enuf to by everony here an aroura.

[.::Tin Can::.]

Yeah. It's a damned shame the Source Code got hacked. I dont know why the idiot decided to do it but it wont help him get the game any faster. Then again, why would they put something so valuable under low security.

Far Cry is really good, yes. But unfortunately, I'm out of money. I am not sure about a conversion, but if there is someone out there who MOD's it who can help you out then it might turn up something. I admit, it looks very good and is very cool. Doom 3 though, just, no. No, no, and no. Frankly I dont have the time to dick around with the extreme graphic deals that you would have. Second, not EVERYONE at the board, who I am sure would love to play a FS2 FPS has a Radeon 9700 Pro or higher. They stopped making those and now if you get the Radeon 9600 XT or above, then you are ready to run it at standard gameplay. In fact, very good stuff. But when low end computers say "help meeeeeeeeeeeee" then I would rather give the public something like Half Life 2 to deal with, with its ultimate physics system and graphical quality as well as lip sync and combinations. I can MOD it, I know I can, but Doom 3 is an uncertainty.

Im modding half life 2, fair. Just fair.

[Flipside]

Well, TC is the one in contact with Valve, so, if he's got a good repertoire going with them, good luck to him At the end of the day, if we are going to say 'do it yourself' and TC is willing to do that on the engine of his choice, I don't have a problem with that.

Actually a lot of those images looked more like they suffered from bad textures than anything else, and a good texturer can fix that

[.::Tin Can::.]

You see guys, when we are talking about which game to pick, you have to take into consideration not just what YOU want, but also what I am willing to work with. As I’ve said time and time again, MODing Half Life the original was a breeze and an easy step towards getting it done. The total Half Life conversion, “Natural Selection” (www.natural-selection.org) was done completely with the SDK tools and with custom voice acting. That thing is fun to play, if I do say so myself, and they did a great job on it and I must commend the staff for what they have done. I also plan to get the weapons I promised done, the Grier and the Marquee, and put into an observation level where you can examine the Characters we have completed, which will be a standard Shivan, Vasudan Trooper, and an Assault Terran.

That reminds me. I need to make the different classes of units. We could even use it in multiplayer if you feel like it. (not a bad idea…) I guess I’ll get right on that. But anyway, Doom 3 will require enhanced rendering, which is something I just cant do at the moment, and would probably like a staff member of mine to take care of, if I get any. There is no such thing as a one-man major MOD.

As for the game, Half Life 2, I think the reason you guys nit pick about the graphics is because they aren’t what YOU want them to be, not what they are. Hell, it could have the greatest features in the world, but I guess you wouldn’t want it as long as it had 16-bit graphics. I think the graphics are beautiful, and the only screenshots on those websites you see are taken from blurred shots from the E3 video. That video is blurred heavily because it was keeping recording on the screen and outside the computer. But other then that, I believe that it is the ideal candidate for this particular MOD. You don’t like it, wait until I make it, THEN judge.

Thanks, Flipside, for putting up “constructive” criticism, and I thank you again for not loosing your nerve and acting like a 12 year old. *cough* Kazan *cough* .  And yes, I am willing to complete those 2 weapons, 1 observation level, and 3 character models by myself, even if it takes me the rest of the year 2004 to do it. I’ll come back, war-torn and have a bunch of hairs on my face saying, “Take a look at this ****…” and you guys will like it, I hope. But until then, Kazan, keep your snake in your cage AFTER I get this MOD going, ok?

[Kazan]

tin can? me the one acting like a  twelve year old? now i have lost my patience you little hypocrit - acusing me of acting like a 12 year old for calling you on your immature behavior? why you little twit - don't ever come to a forum i administrate - i have ZERO TOLERANCE for that kind of behavior

you're a little half witted n00b who thinks he's so important and knowledgeable that he doesn't listen to a blasted thing anyone else says..

you little **** - I was actually hoping you would manage to pull your act togeather and complete this project

but now i realize you're just some n00b trying to act like he's important.  You've alienated pretty much every skilled person here.

The other attempts at FS FPS actually had a chance and failed - i dont give you two months

[.::Tin Can::.]

LOL! Oh man, what kinda hypocrit am I when you can parade around, saying the Half Life Engine sucks balls, calling me an e-penis, saying Im "trying" to impose myself on others and make myself look important, just because I want to choose the Engine of choice and I am going to stick with it, as well as turn this topic into a god damn flame.

All this bull**** began to happen the MINUTE you posted your first message on the 6th Page. Dont give me bull**** because I was posting ideas, and I even got the weapons summary down for everyone to view. Where the hell you get off with your "im better than you.." attitude gets all of us, or this topic, NOWHERE! I didn't have the engine in mind, someone else did. Check the beginning of the topic to see whoever gave me the thought of using the HL2 engine, and then people agreeing with me.

Cut out this "im innocent" bull****. Just shut up, and post something constructive within the next 10 posts of yours, and I'll consider you at least pointing out valid ideas. Im not the only one you have pissed off on this board for your idiotic tact. Back off and nag someone else who has time for your crap. Im starting to get really pissed.

I already asked Sandwich to supervise all of this, and even told him he is free to delete all the posts from here until you first posted on Page 6. Unfortunately he said he would try and resolve the situation first. I dont have TIME for your idiotic crap, so put up something we can work with or shut up. Just because your great doesnt mean I have to bow at your feet and beg for mercy. You can dish it out, but you cant take it. What a real piece of work you are.

[aldo_14]

now do you see why i posted beforehand

And Kaz - you are acting like a 12-year old.  Grow up.

[.::Tin Can::.]

Agreed.

Now can we PLEASE stop the flaming so I can get some ideas put up and we can all discuss again?

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
Agreed.

Now can we PLEASE stop the flaming so I can get some ideas put up and we can all discuss again?

I'd have no objections

Have you talked to the RF mod people who were working on this before?

[.::Tin Can::.]

Who were the RF people?

But, if I ask them, then they might give me a RF Issue, when the only issue I need to deal with is how to work Half Life 2 around. Ill ask em, if you tell me who they were...

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by .::Tin Can::.
Who were the RF people?

But, if I ask them, then they might give me a RF Issue, when the only issue I need to deal with is how to work Half Life 2 around. Ill ask em, if you tell me who they were...

Offhand, i think Ace & Bobbau were involved.  They should have a decent amount of background stuff that could be used..... at the mo there's no HL2 to work around, so i'd stick with the basic concept models, and use them as a basis for more engine-specific work.

[.::Tin Can::.]

Roger that Aldo. I'll see what I can do. At the mean time, I'm going to learn about the SDK Tools for Half Life the original, and get my hands dirty with those.

[.::Tin Can::.]

Terran:

Specialist:
Agility: Quick
HP: Moderate
Armor: Light
Weapon Class: Long Range / Small Arms
Specialty: Hacking / Planting Explosives / Sniping

Assault:
Agility: Slow
HP: Heavy
Armor: Heavy
Weapon: Heavy Weapons / Explosives
Specialty: Attacking Head-On

Light Support:
Agility: Quick
HP: Light
Armor: Moderate
Weapon: Moderate Support / Light Medical Attention
Specialty: Light Medic / Support Fire

Heavy Support:
Agility: Moderate
HP: Light
Armor: Moderate
Weapon: Heavy Support / Moderate Medical Attention
Specialty: Moderate Medic / Heavy Support Fire

Prime Soldier:
Agility: Moderate
HP: Moderate
Armor: Moderate
Weapon: Standard / All-Round Class
Specialty: Primary Assault Trooper

[Kazan]

once again he fails english 101

i never called you an e-penis jackass -

let me explain this again - some people act like their post count is their electronic equivilient to their penis length - hence called e-penis

so postcount++ = e-penis++