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Offline TopAce

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I saw the movie, too:
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EXCELLENT! MARVELOUS! AMAZING! I can list all the positive adjectives, but I omit to do it, because it makes no sense. The battle scenes were very good, I really enjoyed the fast-moving and fast-handed Jedi. In the field of battle-scenes, EpIII is the best of all Star Wars movies, it even beats the Execution Arena scene of Episode II and the Battle of Endor in Episode VI.
It truly answers all the questions we might have. I still wonder why Naboo was not even mentioned in later films, games or novels that are played later in the SW timeline.
Still about Naboo: From the film, it becomes obvious that the homeworld of both Luke and Leia IS Naboo, not Tatooine for him or Aldeeran for her. I don't know why this little piece should bother anyone.
There were some humourous lines for Obi-Wan, which I appreciate. Even its the darkest of all Star Wars films, humour is needed. It is to be mentioned that when Obi-wan said those lines, he knew nothing about the happenings in the close-future.
What I did not like in the film that the Jedi got killed TOO easily. Kit Fist could fend off two parries and he died. Ki-Adi Mundi defended at most four laser bolts and the fifth hit him. Secure Aayla was the easiest target. What's the strangest is that the little child to attacked some Clone troopers to defend Bail Organa killed more troopers and fended more laser shots than the three already mentioned Jedi combined.
The scene where Palpatine attacked the four Jedi was very odd. Two of the Jedi could not even fend off a single parry, Kit Fisto got killed too easily, too. Why on Earth did not Palpatine stop attacking Windu with Force Lightnings when he saw Windu can fend those bolts with the saber? This was very illogical. How Windu died was a moment I did not like either. Such a great Jedi deserves a more honourful death, everything is better than simply flying out of the window.
The Death Star thing in the end also makes me thing: Why did Lucas change the 'old canon' timeline. Originally, the Death Star's construction was started eight years before the Battle of Yavin at Despayre(If I remember correctly).
On the whole, I am not dissapointed in the film as much as I can see you guys are, of the pre-Trilogy episodes, this is definitely the best.
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The film was a positive suprise for me too.

However I still think it's not on pair with the OT - the reason is the murderous pacing from roughly 1/2 of the movie - during the exposition and the setup of the turnover the slow pace, the dialogue after dialogue is fine, serves a purpose and goes with the flow of the film.

The end is also well excecuted, though Vader's "NOOOO!" is way over the top - him screaming in agony would have been better, but alas that still passes.

What ticked me off was in the later half of the film - the hunt for Griveous, after the epic duel, during the duel there was way too much autopilot - scenes that are marvelous but beside showing nice scenery serve no whatsoever purpose. Moreover the whole editing felt amateurish compared to the OT - here comes a dueling scene, now a battle scene, now comes a talking scene, now an angry scene, now a grumbling scene, now an emo puppy-love snene.....the film hadn't had that "flow to it".
I don't say ROTS is a bad movie per se, it just could have been a lot better if it was better integrated.

Also what truely hurt me was Lucas seems to have run out of ideas - or doesn't have the courage to cross the borders he earlier set.
The whole dialog after the initial exposition between Kenobi and Anakin was flat - though that's not the right word. It was fitting, good; but I still felt a lot more could have been said - they throw insults at each other and simply put both of them are OUT OF CHARACTER of a Jedi or an ex-Jedi turned Sith.
For me it would have felt a lot more fufilling if instead mere threats and the obvious paraphrasing over who has more power would have been livened up with them pointing out the "true" problems with the other's ideology. (Jedi are insensitive, overltly high-handed, Sith are self-serving). Some of it was said, but I still found the dialog somewhat lacking.

Also the whole disposition of Jedi was disturbing - they broke their own code, and instead going into a little philosophical discussion to explain why and what made it necessary to do - which made KOTOR and KOTOR II an all time classic for me - , they merely throw bland phrases about following tradition and force Anakin to give into authority - which is exactly what a Jedi shouldn't be doing, a Jedi must be a knight of justice, and no ammount of authority grants justice, quite the contrary justice gives one authority to act - and go on doing their self-serving deeds (or more precisly in accordance with their "superior" idea of justice a lot of what the Sith do are valid, and Palpantine with all his megalomania is still a reforming figure).

Never the less in visuals we're given the damn best looking SW film to date.
The action is good - especially when Kenobi is on screen, though Yoda is also a lot better than in Ep.2.
At last as TopAce put it so well: humour is back.
The whole syrupy love is toned down to more manageable levels, though it still irks me.
For all its bad pacing I think the story is excelent - though my gripes about the "missing" dialogue renders it merly 'good' in my eye.

All in all if not the best or an excelent ground braking movie (visuals aside) it's one of those movies that you can fondly remember and watch again and again.

*The soldiers who were escoring the Jedi masters were the 'best' and top of the line. They were the elite - the same genetic code doesn't mean identical personality or abilities, you can think of the clones as a damn big family of twins - troops and its not suprising they manage to bag the jedies that fast. (Remember KOTOR II? Atton explains it very well why the Jedi are so valnurable in some aspects.)
**The same can't be said about the garrison troops who invade the Jedi temple.
***The reason why Palpantice kept Windu under lightning is that the lightning was the only thing that kept Windu's saber at bay - it's not portrayed that well, but Windu had to push with all his strengh to keep his ground.
****The Death Star we see at the end of the film may be the prototype. (I don't know the English name of the place in Hungarian it was 'Bednõ'). Then again I could be wrong about this one.
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@Flaser:

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Bednõ


:wtf:

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Originally posted by TopAce
@Flaser:
:wtf:
Soha nem hallottam.

Opps
*Ben
BTW it's the Maw in English.
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The Death Star was built at the Maw Installation, wasn't it?
Wash: This landing's gonna get pretty interesting.
Mal: Define "interesting".
Wash: *shrug* "Oh God, oh God, we're all gonna die"?
Mal: This is the captain. We have a little problem with our entry sequence, so we may experience some slight turbulence and then... explode.

  

Offline WMCoolmon

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No, it was built in orbit around the moon of Despayre; the prototype was built at the Maw, however.
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^ Yes that's it. Maw Installation.
By the way, Despayre was destroyed by the Death Star right after its comstruction completed.
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It had Wookiee laborers too. :p
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Really? The Empire hates aliens. Now, I know why the blew it up.
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Well, now that explains why we see the Death Star at the end. Yes, the Empire hated aliens, but they especially loved Wookies for slave labor. You think they had independent contractors too? :)

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Wow... I put on ANH after my 3rd viewing of EP3. I got whole new spin on a particular scene. When C3PO and R2 enter the cantina and the bartender said

"We don't serve their kind here!! Your DROIDS, we don't want them here!!!"

The bigotry against droids really stand out now and it makes sense. Droids must have realy got a bad rap from the actions of the battle droids of the Clone Wars.

Very cool.

Interesting observation, but what would they serve droids in the cantina anyway, power cells? :p

 

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Bender units need alcohol to function.
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LOL

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The alchohol is the fuel, though. The others are just additives.
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just saw it, i was rather impressed. it was alot better than I and II. i whish they had shown more of the masked vader. but none the less it tied up a bunch of loose ends. i kinda expected to see more wookie warefare. from the prieview i thought there would be more. i had also whished there was more fighter combat, which made episodes 4 and 6 kick ass.
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edit: umm... did this line bug anybody else? "Join me, Padme and together we can rule this galaxy!"
« Last Edit: May 22, 2005, 09:29:05 pm by 524 »
Wash: This landing's gonna get pretty interesting.
Mal: Define "interesting".
Wash: *shrug* "Oh God, oh God, we're all gonna die"?
Mal: This is the captain. We have a little problem with our entry sequence, so we may experience some slight turbulence and then... explode.

 

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that was but one of the many cleche phrases in the movie.

btw who the **** is darth nihilus?
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The Villain in KotOR II, I suppose(I haven't played it, though)
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Actually, on the droid point - Droids are the slave race of the Republic (yes, Republic). Think about it - for the most part Droids do the hardest, nastiest tasks that no biological creature wants. Obviously there are still rich and poor humanoids/-oids, but the droids are the lowest of the low. They are essentially sentient but treated as property.

It is in fact the perfect solution to capitalism's labour problems. The need for cheap, slave labour vs. the evolution of more humane sensebilities.
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And droids have no battle morale or loyalty.
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but robots would be comunicateing directlly (silently) with each other, none of this "roger roger" or hand signal crap.
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