[Swamp_Thing]

I am proud to present y´all, with the ML-16 Medium Laser big arse kicking gun!!
 :biggrin1:

It was a major pain to make, but i think i captured the look and feel of the gun. Considering how i only had this one picture to guide me through.
It´s not textured, i just painted some spots to capture the feel of it. The original has a sort of belt in the back, to help suspend the weapon from the user´s arm, but i thought it could do without since it would be mostly out of sight anyway, when rendered on-screen. The left side of the weapon i had to improvise and use my imagination.
Now, who volunteers to skin this thing?











EDIT:
I know everybody calls this the ML-16 laser weapon, but if we look closer, it looks more like a plasma thrower, doesn´t it? Look at the muzzle. It´s too big a caliber to fire a thin beam of laser. It looks more like it would fire a big plasma ball. What do you think?
Anyone have Hallfight handy? If so, could you check to see what kind of "ammo" does the weapon fire, when the shivans attack?

[karajorma]

Why does it need skinning? Looks fine as it is

[pyro-manic]

I really like it, but there's no way it could be an ML-16. That's like saying that a modern soldier could carry a Vulcan 6-barrel cannon (or even a Browning .50) - they're way too big...

Also, I'm guessing the first pic is from Hallfight? They were projectile weapons, not lasers.

Good model though.

EDIT: Ah, you've edited already. Yes, they fire bullets of some type, and at least one of them has a grenade launcher attachment.

[Swamp_Thing]

Originally posted by pyro-manic
I really like it, but there's no way it could be an ML-16. That's like saying that a modern soldier could carry a Vulcan 6-barrel cannon (or even a Browning .50) - they're way too big...

Also, I'm guessing the first pic is from Hallfight? They were projectile weapons, not lasers.

Good model though.

EDIT: Ah, you've edited already. Yes, they fire bullets of some type, and at least one of them has a grenade launcher attachment.

I always thought this one to be a sort of chaingun. I guess the bullits could be from this one. I don´t see a barrel of that caliber firing bullits, though. Grenades maybe.

[pyro-manic]

Bullets and one grenade are the only things that get fired. I think the bullets may either be low velocity, large calibre, or high velocity and small calibre. I think they could be magnetically fired (ie railguns), which would explain the large bulky barrels - you need lots of space for the electromagnets and the cooling system...

Checking again, there are two people with those bigger guns, and three with the smaller type. They all seem to fire bullets, but I can't tell where the grenade comes from.

[Unknown Target]

Wow, now I feel especially lazy Looks neat ! But it's definately bullets and maybe grenades.

[Swamp_Thing]

Damn!! I just found "Hallfight" hidden in my computer. I wish i had seen that before. The tube on the side of the weapon goes all the way to the back of the weapon, not to the side. I guess i have some work to do...
Oh, and it only fires single shot bursts,( like a shotgun does, or a grenade launcher) wich could be a sort of energy grenade. The bigger gun fires big ammounts of prejectiles, thus a chaingun is a possibility.
Now i gotta go to work...

[Nuke]

Originally posted by pyro-manic
I really like it, but there's no way it could be an ML-16. That's like saying that a modern soldier could carry a Vulcan 6-barrel cannon (or even a Browning .50) - they're way too big...

Also, I'm guessing the first pic is from Hallfight? They were projectile weapons, not lasers.

Good model though.

EDIT: Ah, you've edited already. Yes, they fire bullets of some type, and at least one of them has a grenade launcher attachment.

a soldier could carry a gau-17 minigun, they are only 40 lbs (ammoi s extra), however they probibly couldnt fire it withough some kind of mounting system. i see a laser as having little or no kick.

[TopAce]

This is dangerous. Children are not allowed to play with it.

Nice model, really impressed.

[Nuke]

indeed the model does kick ass

[Gai Daigoji]

And, if all things continue to proceed as smoothly as they are, you will have a working chance to play with this gun in the planned Hegemonia demo

[Cobra]

what's the poly count? it looks about 10,000+.

[Nuke]

Originally posted by Gai Daigoji
And, if all things continue to proceed as smoothly as they are, you will have a working chance to play with this gun in the planned Hegemonia demo

what engine did you alll decide to use, have to make sure i have it when the mod comes out

[pyro-manic]

Originally posted by Nuke


a soldier could carry a gau-17 minigun, they are only 40 lbs (ammoi s extra), however they probibly couldnt fire it withough some kind of mounting system. i see a laser as having little or no kick.

Recoil isn't what I was concerned about, more the sheer bulk. 40lbs is pushing the upper limit for a personal weapon, and it's not something you'd want to be carrying for very long. I don't think it's practical to have a weapon you can barely lift, certainly not in a shock/assault role like the Hallfight marines. You need something light and agile...

[Ghost]

The minigun in Predator... yeah, what that guy is doing is humanly impossible. For one thing, he's firing blanks, not spitting lead. There's a significant difference, namely being thrown on your back when you're firing live rounds without an emplacement. So yes, recoil is a problem, in concordance with bulk.

[aldo_14]

I think as well the bullet casings would severly injure or burn the soldier, and the ammo (that could be carried) would last mere seconds.

EDIT; from IMDB trivia
[q] The weapon Blain (Jesse Ventura) is using is a minigun. This is a weapon most commonly mounted on the side of a helicopter (or an aircraft carrier) and many, many modifications had to be made to make it useable in the film. It was powered via an electrical cable hidden down the front of Blain's trousers. Despite firing blanks, the actor had to wear a bulletproof vest to protect him from the violently ejecting cartridges. Had he been using live ammunition, the recoil would have been approximately 110 kg sideways force - about the same as lying on your back and trying to push an American football player into the air. Ammo for the 20-second firing sequence would have been 2,000 rounds x 12.5 grams per bullet = 25kg, all of which had to be carried in Ventura's backpack. Since the movie was made, a model of this weapon has been designed, changing the caliber and exchanging the electric motor for a 2 cycle gas engine, similiar to that of a weed-eater. It has never entered service in any armed forces, since the weapon is excessively heavy and impractical in an infantry role.[/q]

[FireCrack]

32 years have passed since the great war, dont worry if it doesnt look exactly like the ones in hallfight.

[Pnakotus]

Perhaps the projectiles are large and slow to minimise recoil in zero-g?  They were using stickyshoes, heavy recoil might be a problem?

Excellent, excellent model, by the way.  

[Carl]

Originally posted by pyro-manic


Recoil isn't what I was concerned about, more the sheer bulk. 40lbs is pushing the upper limit for a personal weapon, and it's not something you'd want to be carrying for very long. I don't think it's practical to have a weapon you can barely lift, certainly not in a shock/assault role like the Hallfight marines. You need something light and agile...

but remember that hallfight there was no gravity, soit doesn't matter how heavy it is. maybe it was a weapon designed for use in zero G.

[Cannikin]

Even with no gravity, an excessively large weapon causes many problems due to mass and thus inertia. A very massive weapon requires a lot of force to move around at any decent speed even without weight so the movements of a soldier carrying it around will be signifcantly slowed. And just the same, you require a lot of force to slow a massive object down. Sudden movements may have undesirable side effects, like if you whirl around and try to stop quickly, the momentum of the gun might just carry you off with it.