[NGTM-1R]

My current thoughts on future GTVA cruiser design are something along the lines of "flying superheavy beam cannon" and "dedicated antifighter point-defense ship".

[TrashMan]

I think cruisers have a future as escorts/patrols with good AAF power. Anti-capital abiltiy is not that important for them.

I don't see corvettes as carrir type ships as it would surely come as a tradeoff. A better solution would be a new ship class - bigger than a corvette, smaller than a destroyer...around 1000m length. Primary a fighter carrier with limited offensive capabilities.

[Nuclear1]

Primary a fighter carrier with limited offensive capabilities.

Yes, and I'm sure that's what the GTVA had in mind with the Hecate. The Hecate probably wasn't intended as an offensive weapon, but instead as a carrier vessel that can defend itself if attacked by cruisers or corvettes. Orions seem to fit the bill for offensive purposes, with much more effective and powerful beams (3 TerSlash, 3 BGreens to the Hecate's 4 TerSlash and one BGreen). It's probably the tradeoff that the Terrans are making with the Vasudans, with the Hatshepsut taking a more offensive role, and the Hecate being the carrier.

[Colonol Dekker]

I think of my next commen as a parrallel topic, more than an off-topic/askew point.
The diversity in Starlancer and Wing commander fleetwise, compared to GTVA, Kilrathi Corvettes, Coalition Kurgens for instance, What would you say is the nearest allied counterpart?

[aldo_14]

It's probably the tradeoff that the Terrans are making with the Vasudans, with the Hatshepsut taking a more offensive role, and the Hecate being the carrier.

Or even just using 'packs' of hunter-killer corvettes, with fighter and bomber cover.

[Mars]

The Deimos is definitely supposed to take the main warship to warship combat role. The Terrans are removing the concept of "Destroyer" from their fleets and replacing them with carriers, whereas the Vasudans maintain the idea of a destroyer.

[AlphaOne]

Well we do tend to see something like this happening but then again the Deimos is not that powerfull as to present a serious threat to a destroyer such as the orion let alone a Ravana. Basicly what the terrans were lacking was a new destroyer that wasnt so aweak in terms of aaaf point defence. So the Hecate was born. The vasudan do what thy usulay do they design from scratch a new warship whic incorporates all of the new techonological advances.

With the Hecate they had to trade something in order to maintain its carrer capacity and its powerfull aaaf point defences and this was ofensive firepower(a.k.a. more powerfull beam cannons).

The vasudans managed to balance the Hatshepsuit a lot better the the terrans with their more powerfull beam cannons around the ship and good aaaf point defences as well as more hp's and a similar fighterbay. I would imagine the vasudans actualy providing the muscle in a fight(beam cannon firepower) and the tarrans the C&C and carrier abilities of the fleet.

Oh well vasudans are generaly more advanced in terms of reactors and beam cannons tech. Not more powerfull but just more advanced.

Also the cruisers i believe will be left exclusevely to the terrans since well they had by far the best designs.

[karajorma]

Also the Hathshepsuit(sp?)

Never understood why people have such trouble with the name.


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Not that hard is it?

[aldo_14]

Well we do tend to see something like this happening but then again the Deimos is not that powerfull as to present a serious threat to a destroyer such as the orion let alone a Ravana. Basicly what the terrans were lacking was a new destroyer that wasnt so aweak in terms of aaaf point defence. So the Hecate was born. The vasudan do what thy usulay do they design from scratch a new warship whic incorporates all of the new techonological advances.

With the Hecate they had to trade something in order to maintain its carrer capacity and its powerfull aaaf point defences and this was ofensive firepower(a.k.a. more powerfull beam cannons).

The vasudans managed to balance the Hatshepsuit a lot better the the terrans with their more powerfull beam cannons around the ship and good aaaf point defences as well as more hp's and a similar fighterbay. I would imagine the vasudans actualy providing the muscle in a fight(beam cannon firepower) and the tarrans the C&C and carrier abilities of the fleet.

Oh well vasudans are generaly more advanced in terms of reactors and beam cannons tech. Not more powerfull but just more advanced.

Also the cruisers i believe will be left exclusevely to the terrans since well they had by far the best designs.

The Deimos wouldn't be operating individually.

[Flipside]

The Bowlerjohnnoakessut?

//me runs

[Ghostavo]

The Vasudans did watch too much TV...

[Flipside]

LOL It's actually our language that is the problem, it puts syllables in places we are not used to putting them, Hatshep would be fine, Shepsut would also be fine, but trying to string the three together causes linguistic problems to people not used to it.

[karajorma]

The Bowlerjohnnoakessut?

//me runs

Only the Valerion could defeat it!

[Mars]

Two Deimos corvettes could take out a Ravana no problem (if the Ravana couldn't jump out that is)

[Ghostavo]

Two Deimos corvettes could take out a Ravana no problem (if the Ravana couldn't jump out that is)

Tell that to the Actium and Lysander.

[AlphaOne]

Yep yep those were two nice perfectly good condition corvettes and then...the Ravana came...and they were gone faster then a vasudan could eat a raw fish!

On the other hand no sjip other then the collie could withstand the power of those beamcannons!

What the corvette class really needs is a better beam cannon (more powerfull) !

Well on the other hand couple a corvette with a few Herc wings and you have one very dead Ravana!

Hell even an Aeoulous could take out the blasted thing provided it cant jump and it has at least 3 wings of Erinies along to help it disarm the blasted thing.

[Ghostavo]

Yep yep those were two nice perfectly good condition corvettes and then...the Ravana came...and they were gone faster then a vasudan could eat a raw fish!

On the other hand no sjip other then the collie could withstand the power of those beamcannons!

What the corvette class really needs is a better beam cannon (more powerfull) !

Well on the other hand couple a corvette with a few Herc wings and you have one very dead Ravana!

Hell even an Aeoulous could take out the blasted thing provided it cant jump and it has at least 3 wings of Erinies along to help it disarm the blasted thing.

You do know that the Ravana is a destroyer and as such it has a fighterbay and fighter complement and that it took a whole battlegroup to trap the Ravana and destroy it?

[Mars]

Yeah, the whole battlegroup tried and failed, but then a wing of Boanerges class bombers and a Sobek took it out

The Lysander was SEXPed to death, I've taken out the Ravana's beam cannons before it fired a shot and the Lysander STILL died . The Hercs could disable the Ravana, and destroy the (weak) shivan fighters, any that survived could be destroyed by the Deimos's heavy anti-fighter weaponry.

Granted the forward firepower of the Ravana could quickly vaporize a corvette, but their manuverability would allow them to stay out of the Ravana class's narrow FOF while the huge FOF on the Deimos allows them to fire sideways at the Ravana while it avoids the main beams.

[Ghostavo]

The Hercs could disable the Ravana, and destroy the (weak) shivan fighters, any that survived could be destroyed by the Deimos's heavy anti-fighter weaponry.

Try that without Alpha 1. Also, by using fighters you are no longer just using the corvettes but using another destroyers fighter complement.

Again, even considering all that, it goes against everything that is shown in the campaign.

Yeah, the whole battlegroup tried and failed, but then a wing of Boanerges class bombers and a Sobek took it out

Against a damaged Ravana with it's fighter complement almost run out and not to mention disabled (I'm not really sure about this last one).

[Nuclear1]

Hell even an Aeoulous could take out the blasted thing provided it cant jump and it has at least 3 wings of Erinies along to help it disarm the blasted thing.

Why waste three wings of Eyrines on the Ravana? One wing of Herc II's or even Persei equipped with Stiletto II's or Maxims just does fine, and all it would take is a single Deimos or Sobek to give it the rapid anti-capital damage. An Aeolus's 45-second recharging SGreen simply doesn't do enough damage per shot to be worth it.