[wtf_cl0vvn]

Considering we're building the ship around the gun, I'd say the beam would be built pretty well...no chintzy heatsinks.

[Polpolion]

So basicly it would just be a BFGreen with engines?

[wtf_cl0vvn]

sort of.

my point here is that it would be much more efficient than a huge fecking juggernaut...

[Mars]

Why not just build a worthy successor to the Mjollnir instead.

[Kaboodles]

Something like the Gorgon cannon would be cool to see.  A meson cannon that one-shots Ravanas?  Yes please!

Although it would be much more efficient if it didn't blow itself up afterwards...

[Snail]

The Gorgon Cannon had to be powered by the Meson thing. I suspect it was quite expensive and unstable (it blew up).

[Mars]

Plus it was fanon

[wtf_cl0vvn]

Why not just build a worthy successor to the Mjollnir instead.

Because if a Moloch gets the jump, the mjollnir is screwed.

If you give it engines, the Mjolnir can escape, or possibly turn around and hit, or maybe get the jump on the moloch (or juggernaut)

[asyikarea51]

Rig four docking points on the back of the Mjolnir? And make it so that you need four Hercs tow one Mjolnir (and slave the computer controls of three of the ships to one "master" Herc - this'll cut down operation of the Herc+Mjolnir to one pilot. An idea to MechWarrior3's C3 slave/master system anyone? Or whatever it was...)

Rather cheapo though... but I have no idea how to input strafing capability on it... It'll be a huge advantage if the Mjolnir+quad Herc hackjob can strafe meguesses.

An alternative way would be to rig a single dockpoint behind the Mjolnir, and have it towed or something. Those guys on the Inferno boards know exactly what I mean...

[Quest_techie]

build a mjolnir fighter? take a mjolnir, put in a second reactor, add a cockpit and quad of kaiser turrets, send out a wing of thm to park around a juggernaut, that way you don't have to worry about not being able to use all your fire points because your fire points manuever to be able to shoot the target, have the vette or carrier or whatever do fightr suppression and you're home free

[Snail]

Plus it was fanon

Geez, Mars, this is in a thread talking about fanon, besides, most of the stuff here isn't canon anyway, what difference does the Gorgon Cannon make?

[Mars]

It makes grumpy old canon addicts upset 

Don't worry... I just didn't get coffee / nicotine yesterday.

[Snail]

I drank some crappy milk this morning too, actually...

[Mars]

Just don't smoke and you'll be okay 

Seriously though I think the best idea is the one floating around right now... a Monitor a little ship with a big ass gun. They would have to travel with an escort, but they'd be a hell of a lot cheaper than the 80+ Juggernauts it would take to destroy 80+ Juggernauts

[spartan_0214]

Maybe a Mjolnir with the power of the Icanus attached to a transport....

[Snail]

Just don't smoke and you'll be okay 

Seriously though I think the best idea is the one floating around right now... a Monitor a little ship with a big ass gun. They would have to travel with an escort, but they'd be a hell of a lot cheaper than the 80+ Juggernauts it would take to destroy 80+ Juggernauts

The Golgotha would do nicely.

[AdmiralRalwood]

I'd rather have a half-dozen Apothess destroyers. Seriously, good-bye Sathani. Even an Inferno-ified Sathanas can't stand up to a simultaneous attack by six Apothess's.

[Qwer]

About Lilith topic: look closer at FS2 campagin. You can see only ONE Lilith compared to 10 encountered Cains. There are two possible explainations:
- Lilith is horrible expensive so it can't be mass-built
- Lilith is next-generation Cain that was put into production recently and there's still plenty of Cains in service.

[Snail]

About Lilith topic: look closer at FS2 campagin. You can see only ONE Lilith compared to 10 encountered Cains. There are two possible explainations:
- Lilith is horrible expensive so it can't be mass-built
- Lilith is next-generation Cain that was put into production recently and there's still plenty of Cains in service.

I disagree with both of those statements. The first one says the Shivans have to pay their workers and pay for their raw materials. If this was so, how much money would it take to build the Sathy fleet? A few googleplex ShivoTokens?

As for the second, if it was the next-gen Cain then it wouldn't be next-gen anymore since they've been in service for 32 (likely much more) years. But then again the Shivans are a super ancient race and probably don't evolve much, so it could well be a new design (in Geographical terms )

My views touch on the whole 'Shivan theories' place. So if you're Mars and are obsessed with canon only info, don't read on.

I believe the Shivans were originally a large super race which used FS1-style ships like the Lucy and the Cain. But they were separated into groups due to some war of somesort, and have been separated into 2 (encountered) groups. The first being the FS1 shivans, with no beams. They are conciderably smaller than the other Shivan groups, and are technologically behind, with no beam capable warships except for the Lucifer. Because the Lucy was the only ship that was capable of world devastation and all that, they had to keep it alive, so they shielded it. They were trying to join up with one of the larger groups so they went on an exodus around the Galaxy^tm to find one. The second Shivan group encountered was a much ( much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much) larger group, perhaps one of the largest. They had evolved more rapidly, because they weren't on somesort of exodus. They were using their comm nodes to look for other Shivan groups. Their ships were more advanced, including the Astaroth, Moloch, Sath, etc. class ships. However, they had abandoned the Lilith (encountered once), Lucifer (not encountered) and Demon (encountered once) class ships. However, the Cain class was a strike cruiser so it was not phased out. Also, the Lilith cruiser could be unstable because it had such a big beam cannon, so it was phased out. The same can be said for the Lucy because it had a shielding system.

[spartan_0214]

Really, the Lucy is just a Cain with invulnerable shields (invulnerable by Great War weaponry, but the Icanus...)