[Agent_Koopa]

Here is a damn good question: Exactly when did the Collie failed at its "original" pourpose?

The answer is never. In fact it performed remarkebly well for a GTVA vessel on its first missions out.

The Collie was NEVER suposed to engage ships anywhere near its size or power not to mention that the Sath actualy has more firepower mounted on its forward firing ark then the entire broadside of the Collie !

It all depends on how you define the Colossus' objectives. If you define them as "as the flagship of the allied armada, destroy anything that you come across", then it was a failure in its role of defense of the GTVA. If you define it as "run around and blow up destroyers in single barrages", then of course it's going to be a success.



I think miniaturization of beam weaponry will be the GTVA's main project, besides rebuilding. IMO, the GTVA will have learned an important lesson from the destruction of the Colossus: Don't put all your eggs in one basket. The GTVA may well try and put bigger beams on smaller ships. Eventually, we may find ourselves with a LGreen on a ship half the size of a Fenris, or smaller. Perhaps a BFGreen on a Fenris. Mjolnirs are relatively small. Mount them on engines and add shielding, and you've got one heck of a weapon. Warp in these fabulously expensive cannons around any ship and it's toast. They may cost about as much as an Orion each, but they will be worth it.  (Interestingly enough, the Colossus is just less than the length of three Orions, has the crew of three Orions, but, according to FS2, has more firepower than five Orions. Why couldn't they just pull the beams from the Colossus and stick them on a ship the size of an Orion? It would be much less of a terror weapon, but it would get the job done.

[spartan_0214]

IMO, the GTVA will have learned an important lesson from the destruction of the Colossus: Don't put all your eggs in one basket. The GTVA may well try and put bigger beams on smaller ships.

The EA has yet to learn this lesson...

[TrashMan]

F=Fighter beam
S= Small
M= medium
H= huge
b = big
BF = (never knowed  were the BF in game was..)
SBF super (never knowd were the BF in game was..)
U = ultra
O  = omega
P = Planetairy (for planetairy bombardments or very large ships)

and maybe shields for capships !

Come now....Remember Doom and what BFG stood for?
that's right.. Big Fu***** Green!

[THE N00B]

@wtf_cl0vvn 
 
Yes, the Lilith has a LRED. But the Lilith is unkown technologie.
You know, the Shivan Beams fire all 10 Seconds, and the GTVA-Beams with the same dmg all Minute.
The GTVA is far away from the Shivan tech-level. Some Tech has beem stolen from the Shivan, okay.

I agree with your Cost-Point. But i personally think a Juggernaut or a Juggernaut-like Installation will be buildet. And this will be build to kill Juggernauts. And this will be no offensive Craft. It will wait at the Jumpnodes 4 incoming Juggernauts.

I'am not sure, that the Shivans will be impressed by a BF-Cruiser or -Corvette-Fleet. Because the Shivan answer is just known: The Ravana-Destroyer-First-Strikes.

[asyikarea51]

Well, a destroyer armed with a BFGreen is sort of a monitor....

For me, my idea of a monitor vessel is a cruiser/corvette/maybe frigate too with that BGreen.

[Qwer]

Snail - your universal 4km carriers are waste of time and resources. You're making another Warlock (ship for everything, but for nothing). That kind of warships have got too weak firepower to compare with AC capships of the same size and too small fighter capibility to counter carriers. Pure carriers are supposed to say out of battle (and even if possible from system where enemy forces are present) and bleed enemy with fighters.

[Flipside]

Carriers tend to operate behind a shield of defence ships, typically it would be escorted by a couple of point defence ships and at least one Cruiser (Destroyer in FS2 Terms). Basically, I can see light carriers appearing, with large launch facilities but only flak cover for bomb defence, flying with a task force but large carriers would require such a heavy concentration of ships and resources they'd actually be more of a liability than a bonus.

[Snail]

The Strategic carrier just has to be big enough to carry fighters, so it could be 1.5 km actually. I just wanted something to destroy smaller ships which may stop the strategic bomber attack force. So it could actually be a small ship to kill the anti-fighter warships, and then deploying the bombers later. Just something to kill the smaller ships, since using those meson torps on smaller ships is probably a waste of money and time as well as overkill (like dropping a nuke to destroy a spy's house).

[karajorma]

BF = (never knowed  were the BF in game was..)

It wasn't. It was meant to be on the Colossus but the entry is commented out.

[Snail]

Was it used in game? High Noon it used LRBGreens, IIRC.

[karajorma]

Exactly. AFAIK the BFGreen doesn't appear anywhere in the finished game.

[Agent_Koopa]

Exactly. AFAIK the BFGreen doesn't appear anywhere in the finished game.

Right, whatever. Disregard comments about Colossus' better beams.

[karajorma]

Umm. What?


Anyway the Colossus does actually use the BFGreen once. In Endgame. Turret 63 is a BFGreen.

[AdmiralRalwood]

Where in the heck did I say that?

You never said that the Shivans wanted us to win, certainly, but you did point out that, had we won in the end, the Shivans would have counted it as a victory, as the GTA and PVN would have been forced to integrate so much that peace would last. You didn't see the Shivans dispatch Sathani in FS1, did you?

[Ares III]

Personally, I see no use for any ship larger than a Super-Destroyer (think the Sirona).
Since the Shivans have virtually no rear defenses, you simply need a few of these ships to provide supporting fire in case a Juggernaught gets through node defenses.
And the Meson bombs could be delivered by unmanned Tritons jumping out directly under a Sath and detonating immediately, no risk to bombers required.

Personally, I am of the opinion that the GTVA would concentrate mostly on subspace technology after the war, perfecting sensors, subspace travel, and possibly developing a "subspace disruptor" weapon.

(I have already developed a very long and detailed explanation for why ships can't simply jump from system to system directly, but have to actually jump out from inside a node: it involves an idea of mine that the node is somewhat like the eye of a four-dimensional "subspace storm" which stretches for several Km in every direction in real-space, and makes subspace essentially innavigable for vessels equipped with standard subspace drives. Knossos devices work differently: since they are artificial, the storm is virtually non-existent, so ships can jump in and out very close to the node without danger.)

Anyways, back to the weapon: it would exploit the inherently volatile nature of subspace as outlined above to create an area in which subspace is effectively rendered innavigable, trapping all capital ships inside for hours (if continuously aimed at the target, this type of weapon could be used indefinitely). This renders capships easy prey to fast moving fighters and bombers, which don't need to use subspace to get close to the target, as once they are within about 20k of a target, they can close the distance within minutes.

[karajorma]

Why do people keep saying that Shivan ships have no rear defence? They have very strong rear defences. It's called another ship of the same class you just attacked the rear of.

[NGTM-1R]

Where in the heck did I say that?

You never said that the Shivans wanted us to win, certainly, but you did point out that, had we won in the end, the Shivans would have counted it as a victory, as the GTA and PVN would have been forced to integrate so much that peace would last. You didn't see the Shivans dispatch Sathani in FS1, did you?

No, but I don't think they had that option either. The Shivans were in the game to win it, which of necessity meant that they wanted us to lose. It's just that in the end if we won that would be okay with them (sort of) too.

[AdmiralRalwood]

why ships can't simply jump from system to system directly

I thought it was canon that intrasystem jumps required the presense of a gravity well (I.E. a star), limiting them to a single system.

[AdmiralRalwood]

Nope, I think it's somewhere in the Tech Room

The Tech Room isn't canon?

[spartan_0214]

sorry, lost the real meaning of canon..... it's not fanon, sorry...