[Ghostavo]

I doubt the Ancients would have ships capable of relativistic speeds. At least significant ones.

One would imagine they would have managed to colonise the entire galaxy if that were the case. After all, they spent thousand of years expanding without doing so.

Scratch that, one would hope that the reachable systems would be the galaxy, that was what I meant.

[S-99]

Something says to me if you want to get under the shivans radar and actually take the fight to them for once is if you were equipped with an ftl drive that wasn't node dependent. Warp in, meson bomb, warp out. That'd be funny. At least the terrans have something to look foreward to when it concerns the shivans because of bosch. Perhaps in fs2 command took the ancient warnings, artifacts, and destroyed cities more to heart than we think. I know the gtva found the a good portion of the ntf rebellion permittable because of etak development. GTVA had a good handle on the ntf rebellion to make sure it stayed alive long enough to have etak work, then kill the rebellion when it does. I mean having a good handle on the ntf rebellion is having the colossus eating destroyers for dinner.
          GTVA is lucky because of the ancients research, so as opposed to getting wiped out by the shivans in the future, the ntf rebellion helped change that, hopefully, i highly doubt bosch is dead. I bet shivans are as interested in a human that wants to communicate with them as the human who wants to communicate them. I mean if the shivans didn't care about bosch or etak, no azrael transport, and in the first place no boarding the iceni at all. Just outnumber the iceni in the nebula and destroy.
I know the shivans would definitely find bosch useful with him knowing how to turn on and off knossoses and probably having other degrees of ancient technology experience.
           Anyway because of the ancients dying, it really did help ensure the existence of later species to develop and preserve themselves. After that terrans are unique when compared to the ancients, terrans did manage to develop a means of communications with shivans. Ancients did not. Terrans are extremely lucky and have something very interesting to look foreward to whether it be good or bad when the shivans show up next time. For once it would be activities different from the shivans known and only seen activities...that would be either good or bad.
             Of course this is looking forward to the yet undeveloped and likely not to be fs3, but my main focus is not that right now. Ancients either all 100% killed or not, led up to this, which is what the ancients intended since they knew their fate of ensured destruction by the shivans, they left a basic hints and tips walkthrough booklet authored by V and published by interplay behind for other species to find and heed...in a manner of speaking, you guys get the idea. The ancients had their intended affect of discovered knowledge happen upon different species societies

[Vasudan Commander]

If the GTVA wasnt at war with the NTF for the past 18 months, then their military would've been much much stronger, and they possibly could've had a better chance.

But against over 80 Sathanas Juggernaughts.....


nothing stands against that. They must've spent eons building a fleet of that magnitude.

[Ghostavo]

Not exactly, if the GTVA had the necessary resources and could only produce one Colossus at a time at the same rate of the original it would take them 80*20=1600 years to complete a fleet of 80 Colossus. Very long time yes, but not that long. 

[Mehrpack]

Not exactly, if the GTVA had the necessary resources and could only produce one Colossus at a time at the same rate of the original it would take them 80*20=1600 years to complete a fleet of 80 Colossus. Very long time yes, but not that long. 

hi,
i dont think that a rebuild of the colossus will take 20 years again.

the colossus is more a prototype.
i mean look today, how much time we need to development a new fighter or a new ship.
after the work is done, the construction of similar objects are really faster.

i think, with enought resource, its maybe possible to build a colossus class ship in 5 or 10 years.

but i think the GTVA doesnt build colossus class ships like the orginal colossus.
they have see what do a sathanas to the colossus and with that encouter i think they go back to development new technics to meet a sathanas.

but i believe its doesnt need 20 years again, maybe 15 or a little bit lesser.
the GTVA learn a much as they build the thier first juggernaut, and that help to build a new revision or type of a colossus jugernaut, in my opinion.

Mehrpack

[Ghostavo]

My point was that the Shivans haven't necessarily spent eons building the Sathanas fleet seen in FS2.

[Agent_Koopa]

IIRC, the Ancients said that they retreated to their home system at last. This means that either Altair was their home system, or that a separate group survived in Altair at least long enough to record the subspace tracking technology (Or was that developed by the GT(V)A?), at which time the Ancient fleet would have been almost completely destroyed, hence the "no way to deliver the hurt", which complicates the timeline unless the Ancients had a way to correspond across vast distances and through several systems. And the Shivans could very well have wiped out the Ancients almost completely. The Ancient empire may very well have been a vast one. The Shivans may have been able to drive the Ancients out of every system they found, or the Ancients retreated, until they came to their home system and annihilated the ships and cities there. Perhaps they then scanned the systems they had laid waste to, with long-range sensors doing a systematic sweep. We know they had the resources. If they found a ship, they would easily be able to catch up with it; subspace jumps from practically anywhere in a system take only a couple of minutes. Perhaps ships leave subspace trails, marking "here a jump point opened, to wherever."

[Bob-san]

I think we've gone through most of the possibilites. Point is... the Ancients seem to be completely destroyed. If they're not, we have yet to stumble on Ancients. If they survive and we stumble upon them, I highly doubt we'll recognize them, their language, their technology, ETC. I doubt they'd remember a language from 8,000 years ago, and still be using the same technology. We never saw an Ancient, so how could we ID one? No DNA that I know of.

[Agent_Koopa]

We can talk to them, or before translation devices have been made, or a common ground used, we can monitor their behaviour toward known Ancient sites. They probably have subspace tech unknown to the GTVA, and it would be pretty obvious that they weren't Shivans, given the almost Terran colour scheme of the Knossos.

[Flipside]

But in 8000 years and being scattered and forced to hide, it's highly doubtful indeed that anything above the most basic levels of technology and culture would have survived. A high Technology level is backed up by a high industrial level. The chances are the Ancients were blasted back into their stone-age if any survuved at all, it's not so much a question of 'would we know the Ancients', more a question of 'would the Ancients know the Ancients?'.

[Agent_Koopa]

True. I'm just saying that if Ancients survived with their culture intact we could recognize them.

[S-99]

After 8000 years the ancients probably redesigned a whole bunch of their technology likely on the basis that they were blasted back into the stone age.
On the whole maybe the whole ancients being wiped out thing could be similar to the ancients being wiped out thing in stargate? In stargate their ancients all died off, but ocasionally on times, sg1 would find an ancient in stasis. And on multiple occasions in atlantis, there'd be something like a derelict ancient ship that was long forgotten or something. And no i'm not mentioning the whole ascended thing at all because that would be extremely cheap to have in the fs storyline.