[Snail]

I think the Iceni was an extremely expensive ship to construct. I mean, it uses a Terran reactor, is slightly bigger than a corvette, yet it can use BGreens. I think that this is one of the main reasons the GTVA were unable to rebuild it. Basing ideas on it would probably wield some crap thing which uses TerSlash beams or something, probably in trade off for AAA beams.

[S-99]

As long as you get closer to your target when you use slashers then you'll get in a good hit with slashers, besides that, yes scrap them. It's probably one reason the gtva didn't develop slashing AAA beams No if they made an iceni it would be good, after that just saying that the deimos has slashers makes it suck would get you slapped around here. If the gtva made frigates they'd be useful, they'd have good antifighter defenses, and so on. I mean the iceni wasn't really meant to take on wings of fighters and bombers. It runs from them, in fact the iceni is somewhat of a cowardly ship, it was designed for secret projects, to withstand punishment (while dealing some), and more overlery to run. The iceni is always on the run in fs2.

Yes the iceni itself is an expensive ship, it's very fast, has very hardened subsystems, it's got sophisticated laboratory onboard, and great weaponry for taking on ships bigger than itself. I'm pretty sure if the gtva were to make a frigate that it'd be cheaper and not have a sophisticated laboratory on board, less hardened subsystems. They'd probably give it some moderate antifighter weaponry, maintain the highspeed, and maintain the anti-capship weaponry. The iceni equals a great strike ship, runner, and scout. The gtva wouldn't need to build many. But, just picture some strike missions where you wear the enemy down.

[Qwer]

About earlier posts in beginning of topic I think you don't know what Terran&Vasudan capital ships are for.

Fenris/Aten - total piece of junk, used only as anti-fighter cover and discraction.
Leviathan/Mentu - medium AF protection (four AAA cannons on Leviathan and three AAA+three flaks can hurt fighters, also Mentu has got pretty strong armor because of its large size and young age).
Aeolus - ultimate AF protection, but very expensive because of its two SGreens and replaced by Mentu cruisers.
Deimos - escort&patrol corvette, very good against fighters, support in destroyer extermination.
Sobek - assault version of Deimos, has got the same firepower as Terran counterpart, however it's concentrated entirely on top making it better in attack missions (and Sobek would own Deimos, you've had driffent results because you've probably FREDded those missions wrong, really Sobek should stay 4000m from Deimos and DON'T MOVE while Deimos should try to close to it, when Deimos closes to Sobek, it's got around 20% hull left while Sobek 60%, in manevuer fight Sobek should survive with 20%).
Iceni - assault warship of future, 300m longer than Deimos, but having AC firepower of Hatshepsut (note its AF weaponary isn't too strong). Its power is because of young age and lack of fighterbay. Iceni might've conviced GTVA command to specialised warships (just imagine two Icenis attacking Ravana, that'd be firepower of Colossus)
Hecate&Typhon - stays back from fighting sending fighters and moves into combat only when nessesery (also as I said before in another topic Command made one fatal error in desinging Hecate - it could have 300 fighters if it had no Anti-Cap weaponary making it real carrier, Hecate's beams decreased fighter capability seriously).
Orion - old destroyer modified into powerful Capship-Killer. Almost always with cruiser escort/fighter protection.
Hatshepsut - next generation of AC destroyers. Better armor and AF protection.

And Slash-type beams are very good. Altough they deal less damage than standard beams, they've got one large pros - they're very good in disarming warships. Basic rule is that Slash-type beams are for carriers (like Hecate) while standard beams for Capship Killers.

[Snail]

They had the Sobek broadsiding. I had it fighting forward.

[S-99]

The vasudans with their corvettes and cruisers like to have weaponry on the top side of their ships generally, it's like that with the aten, sobek sort of, and the mentu especially, they just have weak defenses on the bottom of their ships.
Pretty much if you had the top side facing a capship then you can see the mentu using it's weapons good, but fs ships besides fighters don't like to roll. If i flew a mentu i'd roll my cruiser so the top side would be facing my target. Idk too much about mentu weapon placement, except that everyone gripes about how most of the weapons are on the top of the ship.

[[DW]-Hunter]

Perhaps enlarging the Iceni by lets say 20% overall adding some aaaf defences and replace its reactors and powergrid with vasudan built ones which we all know are more advanced then terran ones would ensure that the Iceni keeps a high top speed and its huge fiorepower and the aaaf defences with ease.

IMO Iceni class frigates should be put into mass production as soon as posible. Its cheaper then a destroyer to buld they are faster and easier to maintain and resuply . They would make sure that the GTVa has a powerfull presence everywhere just in case its needed till the full fleet is rebuilt.

I dont know about that "vasudan powergrid" deal because the Iceni already outruns any capital ship. Also the GTVA has no construction plans of the Iceni, so how could they reconstruct it themselfs? How do you know its cheaper then a destroyer?  As far as I know, the Iceni was a very strongly well built Corvette with plenty of firepower.

[S-99]

Frigate not corvette. The gtva has **** on the iceni provided from alpha ones scanning of it, and probably no doubt when the gtva retook the shipyard that bosch had for a while. After that the fs2 description of the iceni is pretty descriptive. Command knows a ton about that ship. In fact they know a little too much about this new class and mysterious ship...they got lots of intel on the damn thing.

[AlphaOne]

Well it can not be more expensive then a fully armed crewed destroyer with fighters weapons etc.

Even if its averall cost is about 70% that of a destroyer it is still worth the money. That thing can actualy take on destroyers and depending on the tipe of battle and fighter support it can actualy take out a destroyer then run like hell.

[S-99]

Hmmm, yes. The overall size of the iceni compared to any destroyer in the game just screams less materials required, and in my book that's a money saver.

[Snail]

But it uses a Terran powergrid but yet it can use BGreens. That's gotta be something. Plus, Command would have to probably rip out the whole inside because the interior was made for ETAK.

[S-99]

No one said that bgreens were limited to zod power reactors. A terran reactor can do it. And yes a new iceni would be different, it definitely wouldn't be for the laboratory. Minus the sophisticated laboratory, and you got another price dropper.
I mean when you build something that uses energy, you of course need to figure out what type of power supply your going to have for how much energy needed for the things you're going to use, after that you can fine tune things. The iceni was a ship that was highly customized by bosch and it had a lot of pro's over the ships that already existed. It was like bosch building his own computer, it's a ****load better than what he could order from dell, compaq, or gateway, hp, and so on while the gtva keeps getting their hecates prebuilt from dell. Bosch needed a specialized ship, otherwise he'd probably be based on an hp orion that comes precustomized.

[Snail]

I say the GTVA just make a new frig. For gameplay options. Not for realism options.

[AlphaOne]

Oh yeah and in a post capella era that would so much easier then bulding a frigate which you have the designs etc. and that has shown to be very very deadly and efective. Also you can make further savings when taking out the labs etc. There you hame more power towards the engines sensors or weapons. You could use the extra space to fit another reactor or amunition for more aaaf defences.

I say the Iceni is one of the best if not the best ship we have in the entire game. It's fast very fast it has a big Hp for its size, and has loads of firepower. In fact i can bet that an Iceni gooing head to head with a Hecate exclude the fighters can take out the Hecate before it even knows what hit them.

I mean the Iceni has like what 3 BG mounted in a forward firing ark??

[Snail]

Oh yeah and in a post capella era that would so much easier then bulding a frigate which you have the designs etc. and that has shown to be very very deadly and efective. Also you can make further savings when taking out the labs etc. There you hame more power towards the engines sensors or weapons. You could use the extra space to fit another reactor or amunition for more aaaf defences.

I say the Iceni is one of the best if not the best ship we have in the entire game. It's fast very fast it has a big Hp for its size, and has loads of firepower. In fact i can bet that an Iceni gooing head to head with a Hecate exclude the fighters can take out the Hecate before it even knows what hit them.

I mean the Iceni has like what 3 BG mounted in a forward firing ark??

It only has 3 BGreens.

Besides, I think it's complete **** to use the Iceni in a campaign unless you got no more designs. Seriously.

[AlphaOne]

Care to sustain that arguement?

Please why would the Iceni be a complete **** ? I for one can not see the reason for this statement of yours!

I mean you have shivan corvettes that can own pretty much any GTVA corvette and pose a serious threat to even destroyers. Keep in mind that we are talking about a corvette here. We have a shivan cruiser which can take out any cruiser and corvette it comes upon and even damage destroyers. Why would the Iceni be a waste or useless? I say the Iceni would be a must have fot thje GTVA!

[KappaWing]

Uhhh the only shivan corvette is the Moloch and it really, really sucks. The only thing its got that the other corvettes don't is a fighterbay.

[S-99]

Keep in mind the iceni has a substantial size difference to actually differentiate it from being a corvette.

[AlphaOne]

Look what makes the shivan warships so dangerous is theyr beam cannons ! I mean that god damn shivan cruiser can take out a destrpyer if its in the right position. What does in need 3 4 or maibe 5 shots from its LRed? And in an era where you have very few money to start rebuilding your destroyer fleet a frigatte would make that much sense. I mean the Iceni by ripping out all those things used for ETAK and the advanced sensory array and stuff like that could be a very powerfull ship by installing more point defences. And with its beam cannons it would make sure that even pirate or shivan corvettes or cruisers think twice before attaking such a mosnter.

[ShivanSpS]

bah, no GTVA, no NTF... SOC!!!!!!!!!!!

[Admiral Edivad]

bah, no GTVA, no NTF... SOC!!!!!!!!!!!

PVN. Now and forever.