[Mobius]

That's pretty interesting thing by the way. As of now, there is no accurate explanation in physics to explain why mass has inertia (although the hypothetical Higgs' boson particle is a prime candidate along with the structure of space-time), yet it is not considered supernatural. And same applies to ball lightnings and some other phenomena...

We now know more about ball lightning. They've been recreated in a laboratory if I remember well. Are you talking about the lights of Hessdalen? They're quite a mistery... I heard of a light which had a mass of alabaster, that's something interesting.

These phenomena aren't considered supernatural...by scientists. There are so many people always ready to pick up strange proofs about the true nature of these phenomena.

[Herra Tohtori]

We now know more about ball lightning. They've been recreated in a laboratory if I remember well.

So has gravity... The ability to replicate a phenomenon is an important step to understanding it, but does not automatically mean that it's completely explained. IIRC, it's simply a bunch of plasma that happens to flow in a certain way and that flow of charged particles creates a magnetic field that contains the plasma and makes it possible for the flow to continue for macroscopic periods of time. But what sets the plasma into motion just that way is unknown. And apparently it stays aloft because it's pretty much just ionized, glowing air and thus about the same weigh as the surrounding stuff.

Someone correct me if I'm talking BS here, my memory is kinda vague about those critters.

Are you talking about the lights of Hessdalen? They're quite a mistery... I heard of a light which had a mass of alabaster, that's something interesting.

Hessdalen? What are those? ...well, off to wiki then... --->

[S-99]

It's ok people. Science use to be dominated by religion hundreds of years ago in the dark ages. Now science is more independent of religion thank god, but it really is sure to show you how people like to stick with old ways that worked long ago don't apply to this new advanced modern world where we have an advanced understanding of everything.

Now let's all go out and burn our books of mormon, scientology, and jehova's witnesses doctrine

[Commander Zane]

It's ok people. Science use to be dominated by religion hundreds of years ago in the dark ages. Now science is more independent of religion thank god, but it really is sure to show you how people like to stick with old ways that worked long ago don't apply to this new advanced modern world where we have an advanced understanding of everything.

Now let's all go out and burn our books of mormon, scientology, and jehova's witnesses doctrine

YES!!!

[Mobius]

Hessdalen? What are those? ...well, off to wiki then... --->

You're finnish, right? That's something you should know better than me.
I don't remember if Hessdalen is located in Finland. I know it's in North Europe. People here talked a lot about them because many of the research teams were Italians. We also had something similar here... in a town of the south, many strange things happened. People saw strange lights, and many fires have been caused by electronical systems malfunctions. As expected, someone said they were caused by Aliens or Demons...

[Centrixo]

i know finland is made of around 180 islands. as for the name... Hessdalen, thats Norway.

[Admiral Edivad]

This discussion is going too fast for me! I still have to reply to old posts!

The problems is that Darwin's theories are still considered...theories! They're the only possible reasons...finding definitive proofs is difficult, we all know this...but you want to follow Creationists instead? Their theories are stupid...

Which is why theory is as high as science goes. There is no such thing as a 100% provable fact in science because the possibility always exists that your entire life is fake and you're just a computer simulation of you or a brain in a jar in some alien lab being fed electronic stimuli.
However the fact that science can't every be 100% proven correct is no justification for saying "Well then, I'm going to pick something less likely to be correct." Sure senses can be imperfect,  but saying that this is a reason to choose something else is like saying that cause your eyes can be tricked you might as well close them and use The Force when crossing the road.

of course I prefer to accept scientific theories, which have proven to be reliable in many areas, to creationist theories against which several valid (=supported by factual proofs) objections have been moved.
this however, as somebody else has already stated here, doesn't make science an absolute value.

5) Just think to how long does it take to an ape to give birth to its first baby and compare it to a human woman. on this topic i read an interesting (and funny) article on National Geographic last year (italian version), you may want to have a look at it!

What are you refering to, exactly? That's another thing that makes us look unperfect...or that's a way to support Creationists' theories?!? I think I read that article too - it was also about the DNA, right?

I'm referring to the fact that evolution has caused, as a drawback to walking on two legs instead of four, some critical changes in the ilium-ischium-pubis region, whcih cause the birth to be a complicated and risky moment both for mother and child. (I think the article was about the drawbacks of human evolution in general, expecially the problems of the joints.)

It's ok people. Science use to be dominated by religion hundreds of years ago in the dark ages. Now science is more independent of religion thank god, but it really is sure to show you how people like to stick with old ways that worked long ago don't apply to this new advanced modern world where we have an advanced understanding of everything.

That because probably religious values are easier to accept for ignorant people. on the other hand, scientific knowledge seems sometimes awfully complicated, thus leading people to remain faithful to old, simple beliefs. Moerover, for somebody the destruction of a religious-like certainty could be a shock; this could be a reason for which people stick to religious values.
Another reason could be that religion, to some extents, makes life easier. religion can be undoubtedly a support in the moments of pain and sorrow (like the death of a close relative).
Scientific knowledge (and atheism), in this kind of situation would give little or no moral support (if you tell somebody whose mother/father/husband/wife/son has just died that the only certainty in life is death and that to die is a natural thing and that he also will die, sooner or later, well, i think he won't be very happy.)

Hessdalen? What are those? ...well, off to wiki then... --->

I don't remember if Hessdalen is located in Finland. I know it's in North Europe.

I think it's in Norway.

[Mobius]

Hessdalen? What are those? ...well, off to wiki then... --->

I don't remember if Hessdalen is located in Finland. I know it's in North Europe.

I think it's in Norway.

I know, I didn't remember the English for Norvegia...Norway 

That because probably religious values are easier to accept for ignorant people. on the other hand, scientific knowledge seems sometimes awfully complicated, thus leading people to remain faithful to old, simple beliefs. Moerover, for somebody the destruction of a religious-like certainty could be a shock; this could be a reason for which people stick to religious values.
Another reason could be that religion, to some extents, makes life easier. religion can be undoubtedly a support in the moments of pain and sorrow (like the death of a close relative).
Scientific knowledge (and atheism), in this kind of situation would give little or no moral support (if you tell somebody whose mother/father/husband/wife/son has just died that the only certainty in life is death and that to die is a natural thing and that he also will die, sooner or later, well, i think he won't be very happy.)

That's not true. Have you ever heard of that Italian doctor who analized people affected by terrible diseases? She said that atheist accept death easier and people who believe in God continue to say "Where are you?" and/or "You forgot me!".

[Snail]

Please, no more religious debates here. It makes my brain hurt.

[Admiral Edivad]

That's not true. Have you ever heard of that Italian doctor who analized people affected by terrible diseases? She said that atheist accept death easier and people who believe in God continue to say "Where are you?" and/or "You forgot me!".

no, i didn't hear anything about this doctor, it's something new and interesting for me; please give me a link or e-mail me the article (or provide a more detailed description here).
personally i know people to whom the catholic religion has given a huge help in the cases described, so the opinion in my post was based on personal experience, not on surveys.
i thought atheism associated to a scientific consideration of the world (i.e. world based on laws of mechanics and phyics) could not provide a satisfying explanation to life (and to its end), but what you said could also be true.
however, i think that the consciouseness of the world being meaningless and of life being dominated by death could be, also for some educated men, a source of despair and not of relief. next year you'll study Leopardi (famous italian poet) and you'll understand what i mean. most of his poems are cogitations upon this topic.

[Mobius]

That's not true. Have you ever heard of that Italian doctor who analized people affected by terrible diseases? She said that atheist accept death easier and people who believe in God continue to say "Where are you?" and/or "You forgot me!".

no, i didn't hear anything about this doctor, it's something new and interesting for me; please give me a link or e-mail me the article (or provide a more detailed description here).
personally i know people to whom the catholic religion has given a huge help in the cases described, so the opinion in my post was based on personal experience, not on surveys.
i thought atheism associated to a scientific consideration of the world (i.e. world based on laws of mechanics and phyics) could not provide a satisfying explanation to life (and to its end), but what you said could also be true.
however, i think that the consciouseness of the world being meaningless and of life being dominated by death could be, also for some educated men, a source of despair and not of relief. next year you'll study Leopardi (famous italian poet) and you'll understand what i mean. most of his poems are cogitations upon this topic.

After a year, you still don't know me

I know Leopardi, I don't need a stupid school. If you want to understand as much as you can about that doctor...then you should let me write in Italian. Since it's not polite here, the only possible solution is using IT...yeah, IT... MSN The Campaign Projects Killer^TM.

[Centrixo]

the doctor? do you mean Valentino Rossi or the Emergency Medical Hologram or every other person?

i think this has strayed a bit off topic..

so what about the Vasudans and Terrans?

[S-99]

Vasudans use to be terran until they rebelled against the mormon god. So the god of the mormons turned them into ugly fish mouthed people as the mormon god turned it's back on vasuda prime. And that's how vasudans stopped getting door stops at their residences from mormons.

[Admiral Edivad]

After a year, you still don't know me

I know Leopardi, I don't need a stupid school. If you want to understand as much as you can about that doctor...then you should let me write in Italian. Since it's not polite here, the only possible solution is using IT...yeah, IT... MSN The Campaign Projects Killer^TM.

glad to know you have some culture. then you understand perfectly what i said. (btw, did you read Leopardi's poems/proses alone? )
i prefer if you e-mail me the doctor-related infos (1st, because i'll not be often on msn, 2nd because MSN KILLS STEADFAST).

[Mobius]

After a year, you still don't know me

I know Leopardi, I don't need a stupid school. If you want to understand as much as you can about that doctor...then you should let me write in Italian. Since it's not polite here, the only possible solution is using IT...yeah, IT... MSN The Campaign Projects Killer^TM.

glad to know you have some culture. then you understand perfectly what i said. (btw, did you read Leopardi's poems/proses alone? )
i prefer if you e-mail me the doctor-related infos (1st, because i'll not be often on msn, 2nd because MSN KILLS STEADFAST).

I read some poems all by myself

And I can talk about that subject only on MSN

Vasudans use to be terran until they rebelled against the mormon god. So the god of the mormons turned them into ugly fish mouthed people as the mormon god turned it's back on vasuda prime. And that's how vasudans stopped getting door stops at their residences from mormons.

Interesting theory

Should someone split this thread and move the part related to Darwin & Co. in the Meeting Hall?

[Commander Zane]

Vasudans use to be terran until they rebelled against the mormon god. So the god of the mormons turned them into ugly fish mouthed people as the mormon god turned it's back on vasuda prime. And that's how vasudans stopped getting door stops at their residences from mormons.

[Colonol Dekker]

Lucky them, shame they worship at the temple of Jahovas witness.

[S-99]

After vasuda made a the mormon god leave. The mormon god left for a little mostly water covered backwater planet called earth. And there he found terrans, and there he also found other gods abondoned by their species from other worlds. Mormon found buddha who tricked terrans with reincarnation, jehova who was insane, and allah who suffered from mass paranoya calling everything else "infidel". Now terrans suffer from ideals like reincarnation, door to door stops, infidels, and insanity.

No wonder the vasudans consider terrans confused if not stupid.