[Ghostavo]

TrashMan's designs are simply not possible if you stick with the game's logic.

Hell, even the Sathanas only has 4 beam cannons on one side and that's already the most offensive ship you can get.

[Fang_Taichou]

TrashMan's designs are simply not possible if you stick with the game's logic.

Hell, even the Sathanas only has 4 beam cannons on one side and that's already the most offensive ship you can get.

Actually, the Colossus unloads the biggest barrage.  If it broadsides a Sathanas facing vertically up with y-coordinates slightly positive, with the Colossus beams in overdrive (so the Colossus is standard facing forward in FRED with the Sathanas either left or right, pointing up and exposing its rear to the lower beams and its front to the upper beams), it can theoretically deliver 8 LRBGreens (best to set pilot and gunner Ai to General and set difficulty to insane), which is about 32.8% of the Sathanas hull integrity per volley.  This is theoretical, I'll try to pull this off with FRED and see how it goes.

[akenbosch]

now have blockade ships with 10 BFgreens all facing twoards the sathanas.

[Fang_Taichou]

Well I just did my FRED simulation, under optimal conditions a Colossus with overdrived beams (LRBGreens) WILL be able to broadside a Sathanas with 8 of its cannons, taking down 1/3 of the Shivan juggernaut's hull integrity within seconds.  Recharge time is 35 seconds, enough to destroy the Sathanas before it maneuvers to fire back.

Anyone can make a giant ship/installaion with 60+ LRBGreens/BFReds facing one direction, but that wouldn't be realistic, let alone canon.  So I'd say they would build a Colossus after Capella, they just need to soup up the beam, reactors and heatsinks then get a top-notch captain for it.

[jr2]

Erm... if they were designing the Colossus around destroying a Sath, they would have made more beams with more reactors with better heatsinks... they thought they were going after a Lucy.  And, if they were... put that into your test.  Lucy toast!

[TrashMan]

destroyer=2-4 beam cannons on one enemy

blockade-ship=10 cannons on the enemy per ship if you use trashmans desings(romulans, hoop-da-loop).

Yup..and focused and concetrated AF defense so that you can't get disarmed easily.. A shup that's designed to blockade a not - NOT sit in front of it, but rahter above/below/left/right

[Wobble73]

Yup..and focused and concetrated AF defense so that you can't get disarmed easily.. A shup that's designed to blockade a not - NOT sit in front of it, but rahter above/below/left/right

Ummm, we are talking a node in space here! what is above and below in space? Which way is up? Also, say a Sathanas exits the node at a different angle than expected and heading in a different direction, (say your up direction), it's going to ram one of your ships and thus destroy it, half the blockade down!

After all, we don't know that all ships exiting a node, always exit at the same point and head in the same direction, do we?

[TrashMan]

Ummm, we are talking a node in space here! what is above and below in space? Which way is up? Also, say a Sathanas exits the node at a different angle than expected and heading in a different direction, (say your up direction), it's going to ram one of your ships and thus destroy it, half the blockade down!

After all, we don't know that all ships exiting a node, always exit at the same point and head in the same direction, do we?

AS far as we can see in FS2, all ships exist along the same vector.

[Kie99]

Yup..and focused and concetrated AF defense so that you can't get disarmed easily.. A shup that's designed to blockade a not - NOT sit in front of it, but rahter above/below/left/right

Ummm, we are talking a node in space here! what is above and below in space? Which way is up? Also, say a Sathanas exits the node at a different angle than expected and heading in a different direction, (say your up direction), it's going to ram one of your ships and thus destroy it, half the blockade down!

After all, we don't know that all ships exiting a node, always exit at the same point and head in the same direction, do we?

Yes, we do, play The King's Gambit.

[GTF Hercules]

Ummm, we are talking a node in space here! what is above and below in space? Which way is up? Also, say a Sathanas exits the node at a different angle than expected and heading in a different direction, (say your up direction), it's going to ram one of your ships and thus destroy it, half the blockade down!

After all, we don't know that all ships exiting a node, always exit at the same point and head in the same direction, do we?

Well, you could speculate that since nodes hae a definate length that yes, it does exit at the same point.  And since they have definite pathes (From node to node) and you cannot enter a node sideways, yes same direction too.

[Wobble73]

Well I just thought that seeing as you can enter a node from any direction and facing any way, that you may well exit in a similar fashion. You know, depending on what vector you entered the node, that may be the vector you exit? Maybe? 

[TrashMan]

IMHO, it may be possible to ENTER the node sideways, but not exit it....

Immagine it like some sort of river with a very strong current..you cna enter it i na dozen ways, but it's flow will carry you in a single direction.

[Ghostavo]

It certainly fits with what happens ingame.

I'm not sure about this but in the mission where you were supposed to chase the Iceni ("I can live with being a pawn if the game makes sense") doesn't the Iceni jump in one direction and the ships you are supposed to stop from escaping are heading towards the node in a diferent direction?

[TrashMan]

allmost the same direction IIRC... the NTF convoy was... a few degrees to the side.

[Wobble73]

No, say the node (and the Iceni) are in a northerly direction from you at the start of the mission, then by the time you reach the node, they convoy approaches from a east to south easterly direction.

But that is beside the point anyway! You can enter (and approach) a node from any direction, but will you always exit a node in the same direction. (Of course in game it's FREDded that way but for speculations sake, is it possible you could exit the node in the opposite direction?)

[Mobius]

It may be enough to claim that jumps are possible, no matter of the degrees. And I was about to mention that mission, too.

[akenbosch]

another JAD moment...a deimos escapes a blockade by exiting the node facing "up" relative to the other deimos blockading, evading its ramming strategy.

[Mobius]

That orientation is obviously exaggerated, we were talking about light differences between angles.

[BloodEagle]

another JAD moment...a deimos escapes a blockade by exiting the node facing "up" relative to the other deimos blockading, evading its ramming strategy.

I don't think JAD is canon.

IMHO, it may be possible to ENTER the node sideways, but not exit it....

Immagine it like some sort of river with a very strong current..you cna enter it i na dozen ways, but it's flow will carry you in a single direction.

I'm pretty sure that you use warp drives to exit subspace, so the direction you face when exiting subspace shouldn't be one set direction.

[akenbosch]

in subspace mission you see shivans come out of the "walls", so i guess the direction thing is just to make sure the poor NTF ships dont ram the mjolnir cannons/so you dont have too fly an extra 2000 m to your just-warped-in escort.