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Offline Dilmah G

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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
The FS1 Alpha 1 if still present is probably at least a ship captain, probably a rear admiral or so.
Well if he was going to do that, he'd actually have to change operational specializations. If he's still there, he's probably Chief of Air ops or sitting on some high up military council.
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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
All we know about him is that Martin Mandho visited him once.
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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
The FS1 Alpha 1 if still present is probably at least a ship captain, probably a rear admiral or so.

Not to mention that in 50 years, he'd be significantly higher than a ship captain or rear admiral.  People who are 50 years old are those things.

 

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All we know about him is that Martin Mandho visited him once.

There was, in fact, a very important meeting that people don't pay enough attention to.

 

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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
Well if he was going to do that, he'd actually have to change operational specializations. If he's still there, he's probably Chief of Air ops or sitting on some high up military council.

Giving a destroyer command to a former flight officer makes plenty of sense. :P
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Well if he was going to do that, he'd actually have to change operational specializations. If he's still there, he's probably Chief of Air ops or sitting on some high up military council.

Giving a destroyer command to a former flight officer makes plenty of sense. :P

A flag command, but I wouldn't give him the ship.

 

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That really depends on what he did in those 50 years. Steele started out as a fighter pilot too and switched to commanding capitol ships later on if I remember his resume correctly.
50 years are plenty of time to take command of a cruiser (probably Fenris or Leviathan, before they were decomissioned) and then work his way up the scales.
Though with the lack of destroyers in Sol, CO of a destroyer is a job that's rather hard to get I guess, unless the Fedayeen actually managed to have one without anyone knowing about it.

 

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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
All we know about him is that Martin Mandho visited him once.

There was, in fact, a very important meeting that people don't pay enough attention to.

The ancient dialogues, I presume (since I believe you have them as visions)
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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
All we know about him is that Martin Mandho visited him once.

There was, in fact, a very important meeting that people don't pay enough attention to.

The ancient dialogues, I presume (since I believe you have them as visions)

No, he's talking about a mention of "one of the GTVA's most decorated pilots" in the BP prose. I'll quote it below...

Quote from: How did Ubuntu come to power?
In February 2345, Professor Martin Mandho, a major Restoration figure with former ties to the Galactic Terran Intelligence, went into closed retreat with certain spiritual figures popular in the Party.

Two months later, Mandho requested a meeting with one of the GTA’s most decorated pilots, as well as Vasudan survivors of the attack on the Lucifer.

Whatever happened in that meeting galvanized Mandho and the inner circle of the Restoration Project. Two years later, the Project declared itself the Ubuntu Party (taking on the name of an Afro-Asian populist political party that many of its founding members belonged to) and announced its intent to reestablish a system-wide government and take custody of mankind's future.

There's also this:

Quote from: Who are the Fedayeen?
They appear to date back to Martin Mandho’s 2345 conference with GTA flight corps veterans.

It is rumored that Vasudan survivors of the Lucifer attack are present amongst the Fedayeen.

In a society built on openness, transparence, and general nonviolence, the function of the Fedayeen is unclear and puzzling. The existence of the Fedayeen was a major aspect of the GTVA’s decision to go to war.

So while the most prominent in-game reference to the Fedayeen (aside from the ending) mentions the Vasudans, there's an implication here that Alpha 1 was also involved in the creation of the unit.

Having gone back to read it now, though, I'm more curious about how the Fedayeen were a major reason the GTVA went to war. One, it's surprising that the GTVA knew this unit existed if people within the UEF didn't even know for sure, and two, how is the existence of a black ops unit enough to spark a war of this magnitude?

I'm fixated on the fact that two of the people we know to be involved with the Fedayeen both were known to experience visions: Alpha 1, who in BP canon experienced the Ancient monologues as visions, and Noemi, who has Ken in her head. Not sure what to make of it though...
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I'm fixated on the fact that two of the people we know to be involved with the Fedayeen both were known to experience visions: Alpha 1, who in BP canon experienced the Ancient monologues as visions, and Noemi, who has Ken in her head.
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That's too much NAGARI in one place. That can't be good.
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Nobody is crossing the quantum streams, yet, are they?
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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
All we know about him is that Martin Mandho visited him once.

There was, in fact, a very important meeting that people don't pay enough attention to.

The ancient dialogues, I presume (since I believe you have them as visions)

No, he's talking about a mention of "one of the GTVA's most decorated pilots" in the BP prose. I'll quote it below...

Quote from: How did Ubuntu come to power?
In February 2345, Professor Martin Mandho, a major Restoration figure with former ties to the Galactic Terran Intelligence, went into closed retreat with certain spiritual figures popular in the Party.

Two months later, Mandho requested a meeting with one of the GTA’s most decorated pilots, as well as Vasudan survivors of the attack on the Lucifer.

Whatever happened in that meeting galvanized Mandho and the inner circle of the Restoration Project. Two years later, the Project declared itself the Ubuntu Party (taking on the name of an Afro-Asian populist political party that many of its founding members belonged to) and announced its intent to reestablish a system-wide government and take custody of mankind's future.

There's also this:

Quote from: Who are the Fedayeen?
They appear to date back to Martin Mandho’s 2345 conference with GTA flight corps veterans.

It is rumored that Vasudan survivors of the Lucifer attack are present amongst the Fedayeen.

In a society built on openness, transparence, and general nonviolence, the function of the Fedayeen is unclear and puzzling. The existence of the Fedayeen was a major aspect of the GTVA’s decision to go to war.

So while the most prominent in-game reference to the Fedayeen (aside from the ending) mentions the Vasudans, there's an implication here that Alpha 1 was also involved in the creation of the unit.

Having gone back to read it now, though, I'm more curious about how the Fedayeen were a major reason the GTVA went to war. One, it's surprising that the GTVA knew this unit existed if people within the UEF didn't even know for sure, and two, how is the existence of a black ops unit enough to spark a war of this magnitude?

I'm fixated on the fact that two of the people we know to be involved with the Fedayeen both were known to experience visions: Alpha 1, who in BP canon experienced the Ancient monologues as visions, and Noemi, who has Ken in her head. Not sure what to make of it though...

You misunderstand me, that's the exact thing I meant. And I'm fairly sure the main thing that the governments of Earth learned from that was about Alpha 1's visions of the Ancients, plus a whole lot of Vasudan mythology, and about the concept of Nagari
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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
This tells me exactly why the Terrans went to war.  They didn't want to leave the future of Humanity(and possibly the Vasudans) in the hands of people who will rearrange all of society all the way down to individual psychological conditioning(this part is particularly distasteful) to further their ends, especially when said designs are spawned by visions and portents. 

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This tells me exactly why the Terrans went to war.  They didn't want to leave the future of Humanity(and possibly the Vasudans) in the hands of people who will rearrange all of society all the way down to individual psychological conditioning(this part is particularly distasteful) to further their ends, especially when said designs are spawned by visions and portents. 

Now you're catchin' on.  ;7

Of course I doubt you'd be totally against Ubuntu. They're very free market, almost Objectivist in their focus on individual excellence and development, and big science-technology-and-exploration guys.

Also the 'individual psychological conditioning' is not much different from what any society does, just a bit more understood.

 
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You know, you'd think this was a professional venture, backed by funding and shareholders. But for something like this to simply come from a small group of people with a vision is simply amazing and a testament to willpower and faith. Simply amazing work guys and gals.

 

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This tells me exactly why the Terrans went to war.  They didn't want to leave the future of Humanity(and possibly the Vasudans) in the hands of people who will rearrange all of society all the way down to individual psychological conditioning(this part is particularly distasteful) to further their ends, especially when said designs are spawned by visions and portents. 

Now you're catchin' on.  ;7

Of course I doubt you'd be totally against Ubuntu. They're very free market, almost Objectivist in their focus on individual excellence and development, and big science-technology-and-exploration guys.

Also the 'individual psychological conditioning' is not much different from what any society does, just a bit more understood.
But how would the GTVA know that?
Not even UEF citizens know for sure wether the Fedayeen really exist. And even if they knew, they still wouldn't know why they were founded.
So how can the GTVA know? All the GTVA knew before the invasion was, what was readily available on the internet (or whatever succeded it) and what they could evasdrop with their spy drones.
And somehow I doubt the Fedyeen were able to keep their existance a secret by being sloppy with communications.
So how can they be a main reason for the GTVA to go to war, if the GTVA had no way of knowing anything other than rumors and hear-say?

 

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This tells me exactly why the Terrans went to war.  They didn't want to leave the future of Humanity(and possibly the Vasudans) in the hands of people who will rearrange all of society all the way down to individual psychological conditioning(this part is particularly distasteful) to further their ends, especially when said designs are spawned by visions and portents. 

Now you're catchin' on.  ;7

Of course I doubt you'd be totally against Ubuntu. They're very free market, almost Objectivist in their focus on individual excellence and development, and big science-technology-and-exploration guys.

Also the 'individual psychological conditioning' is not much different from what any society does, just a bit more understood.
But how would the GTVA know that?
Not even UEF citizens know for sure wether the Fedayeen really exist. And even if they knew, they still wouldn't know why they were founded.
So how can the GTVA know? All the GTVA knew before the invasion was, what was readily available on the internet (or whatever succeded it) and what they could evasdrop with their spy drones.
And somehow I doubt the Fedyeen were able to keep their existance a secret by being sloppy with communications.
So how can they be a main reason for the GTVA to go to war, if the GTVA had no way of knowing anything other than rumors and hear-say?

Interesting question, isn't it?

 
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If there are persistent, wide-spread rumors about some ultra-top-secret organization, I'd say there was a better than 50% chance it exists.
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[07:58:19] <Caiaphas> apparently people can't take 20 gees for 5 continuous seconds
[08:00:11] <Caiaphas> the plane however performed admirably, and only crashed because it no longer had any guidance systems