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Offline Aardwolf

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
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Specifically, how the hell do the shivan's know to specifically groom Noemi to work as their agent immediately following Capella?

They didn't have to "know". They could have just picked anyone. But why make a game about someone other than the person they picked?

 
Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
I want to speculate in silence and then rub your faces in it when BP3 is released  :lol:

Awww, heck, I'll do it now:
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Just kidding. I chickened out and deleted it at the last moment...

 

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
omfg spoiler tagz

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For one thing, Ken certainly does not sound like Aken Bosch in the crate-messages during Noemi's vision.  The use of "we" in the message, particularly the "we too fight our own war in heaven" sounds very much like a shivan talking as he/she/it would be more likely to refer to he/she/it's race using "we" and "our", whereas if it was a 1 to 1 conversation with Bosch playing the role of Ken I'd expect to see "I too fight my own war in heaven", assuming he's assisting the shivans.

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If Bosch has been influenced by the Shivans, or is otherwise working with them, it's perfectly conceivable that he would refer to Shivans as "we".

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Additionally, the Ken = Bosch theory runs into difficulty just due to the timeline.  Specifically, how the hell do the shivan's know to specifically groom Noemi to work as their agent immediately following Capella?  Either they:

A: Can view time-space in bulk vishnan style, which doesn't seem likely given the very large amount of differences in how the vishnan's and shivans fight AND the "we shall see about that" comment at the end of AoA, which certainly doesn't sound like somebody who already knows the result.

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Their time could exist orthogonally to ours. Imagine looking at a stream: if you toss in a stone so it blocks the stream, the flow is affected downstream. Time is essentially flowing in the stream's direction. A statement of time for them would have little meaning to us, since their time is an entirely different concept that we probably cannot even observe, but it would be meaningful for them. And maybe their plans involve the Terrans and Zods of the near future, making their future our future for this one specific conflict.

I'm just saying that could be another possibility.

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B: Have incredibly detailed intelligence on both the UEF and GTVA, detailed enough to correctly predict every major economic/political event that leads to the civil war.

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Given that they can observe the entirety of our spacetime, that doesn't seem unreasonable.

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C: There is a incredibly convoluted explanation including the multi-verse (I doubt that was thrown in there for ****s and giggles), whatever the Sathanas fleet was trying to do when they blew up the Capella star, and time-travel, with the end result being something that is only going to cause headaches trying to figure out.

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Well, interdimensional travel does seem to be a major point so far, at least symbolically. Remember that the Shivans (presumably) entered a new dimension while destroying the Capella star. The Vishnans allowed us to return to our spacetime (and probably yanked us out of it in the first place) by changing, while preserving an existing node. We, inadvertently, crossed barriers while recreating a node back to Sol- albeit with Vishnan help, and certainly not intentionally.

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But to bring it back to Bosch, options A and C involve shivan-specific characteristics, and B is just plain unlikely as hell and frankly a bad explanation to begin with.

The point I'm trying to strain out here is that while the Ken=Bosch theory is interesting there's no way to tell if Ken is Bosch or a Shivan.  I'd put very good money however on Ken NOT being a vishnan though, my primary argument stemming from the fact that Vishnan's refer to the shivan's as their sisters, whereas ken refers to the other side of his war as brothers. So either Ken is NOT a vishnan or there is a 4th race we know absolutely nothing about that somehow got involved while we weren't looking.

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Going by the species we know so far, Shivan is the most likely choice for Ken. Some of Ken's lines mirror Aken's, and the message he presents is virtually the same as Bosch's reasoning for the NTF.

 

Offline The E

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
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A: Can view time-space in bulk vishnan style, which doesn't seem likely given the very large amount of differences in how the vishnan's and shivans fight AND the "we shall see about that" comment at the end of AoA, which certainly doesn't sound like somebody who already knows the result.

Except that the foreknowledge the Vishnans have is not 100% accurate, especially not regarding another entity similar to themselves.
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Going by the species we know so far, Shivan is the most likely choice for Ken. Some of Ken's lines mirror Aken's, and the message he presents is virtually the same as Bosch's reasoning for the NTF.
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Considering that Aken Bosch is most likely the first human the Shivans came into non-lethal contact with, it's hardly surprising that they would take on some of his characteristics or his way of talking when communicating with other Humans.
After all it looked as if the Vishnans could only comprehend our way of perceiving time and space once they met up with Sam. In addition the naming scheme for their ships also seems to be taken out of Sams head.

On anothe notion the Shivans didn't take only Bosch with them. In the mission in FS2 the ones left behind on the Iceni said that "Bosch and his commandcrew" boarded the Azreal. I can't remember the exact quote, but it is something to that effect.
And who sais that the container messages are from the being that talks directly to Neomi? Maybe Ken just guided Neomi toward that "depot" so she could read up on the argument between Shivans and Vishnans, for some reason.
Probably to prepare her for becoming part of that conflict in BP3.

 

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
To respond to the thread title...



MOAR DAKKA!!! A LOT MOAR DAKKA!


as in, use those capship missiles to their utter and fullest effect. give us THOUSANDS(where applicable) of rounds and explosion being thrown around an then some.





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ROW ROW FIGHT DA POWA!




this is about the level of dakka i'm talking about. liking the source of the above quote does not relate to the fact that the show got so ridiculously over the top that it simply wasnt enough in the end. nothing ever is enough... i'm rambling. in short, MOAR DAKKA!
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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
There's a projectile limit of about 700 at once, I doubt that reaching it is a good idea though.
It prevents FS from handling true dakka.

 

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
tis sad :(


dere iz neva enuff dakka... :(
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Offline NGTM-1R

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
dere iz neva enuff dakka... :(

This is always true. If it is physically possible to add more dakka somehow, then you do not have enough. If it is physically impossible to add more dakka, you still don't have enough. If you were to turn all reality into dakka, you're mucking about instead of being Orky enough and you still don't have enough dakka.
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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
More kittens..
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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
More kittens..



Sorry, couldn't resist. :nervous:
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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
dere iz neva enuff dakka... :(

This is always true. If it is physically possible to add more dakka somehow, then you do not have enough. If it is physically impossible to add more dakka, you still don't have enough. If you were to turn all reality into dakka, you're mucking about instead of being Orky enough and you still don't have enough dakka.
you know how i feel.
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Offline Commander Zane

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
More kittens..



Sorry, couldn't resist. :nervous:
Hey, you get the best of both worlds, more kittens and dakka. ;7

 

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
Currently playing: real life.

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
Buntu Kittens! Not Tev Kittens..

This? :nervous:

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Offline Satellight

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
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     :lol:

EDIT : More seriously, I know it had been probably writted here, but very great battles between big ****ing ship would be very nice to see. And to enjoy flying between  :D

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Offline Qent

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
Ursas (Ursae?). They probably have Balor turrets now, too. :shaking:

 

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
Ursas (Ursae?). They probably have Balor turrets now, too. :shaking:
Bleh. The GTVA doesn't need more useless flying deathboxes. Tev bombers are unlikely to get more than one payload off before being splashed, so "heavy" bombers like the Boanerges and Ursa are largely useless. I think the way forward is to either make new bomber classes much lighter and faster or to replace the bomber class entirely with SSM strikes.

 

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
The techroom says as much, really. Though old bombers are probably cheap enough for anti-shipping raids, the boring stuff, since they already have time lying around.
Long time ago, you see, there was this thing called the VBB and... oh, nevermind.

 

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Re: What do you want in the rest of War in Heaven?
If there's no heavy bomber, who carries the Helios/larger bombs?
SSM deployment?
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