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Epic Tev vs. UEF discussion from IRC [SPOILERS]
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[20:43:21] <DarthGeek|OpenGL> you tevs suck
[20:43:36] <@Axem> :o
[20:43:40] <@Axem> they do not!
[20:43:54] <DarthGeek|OpenGL> CIVILIAN MURDERERS
[20:43:58] <@Axem> they blow hot hot plasma
[20:44:06] <@Axem> if you know what i mean
[20:44:23] <DarthGeek|OpenGL> YOU WILL ANSWER FOR YOU WAR CRIMES
[20:44:26] <DarthGeek|OpenGL> your*
[20:44:27] <Ravenholme> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_war
[20:44:35] <DarthGeek|OpenGL> YOU FRAKKERS KILLED A FRAKKING ELDER
[20:44:38] <@Axem> my only crime
[20:44:40] <@Axem> is caring
[20:44:47] <Ravenholme> Oh noes
[20:44:50] <Ravenholme> We killed one of your leaders
[20:44:52] <Ravenholme> My my
[20:44:58] <Ravenholme> That never happens in war
[20:45:14] <Ravenholme> You know, the whole concept of a decapitation strike clearly doesn't exist
[20:45:16] <Ravenholme> My bad
[20:45:47] <DarthGeek|OpenGL> The Shivans attack the destroyers. WELL GUESS WHAT YOU ARE, TEV BASTARDS
[20:46:11] <@Axem> shivans could supernova sol
[20:46:12] <DarthGeek|OpenGL> YOU'LL BRING THE SHIVAN WRATH ONTO THE ENTIRE TERRAN RACE
[20:46:16] <@Axem> thatll show those punks
[20:46:26] <Ravenholme> Yes, we could. So surrender now and make things easy
[20:46:37] <@Axem> surrunder to the shivans?
[20:46:48] <Ravenholme> If you just gave up your illegitimate government and accepted GTVA rule, none of this would have happened
[20:47:05] <Ravenholme> But then, what can you expect from self-centered hippy terrorists
[20:47:22] <@Axem> :<
[20:47:51] <Ravenholme> No one to blame but yourself, fed scum
[20:47:58] <@Axem> why dont you go back to vega and wipe out 10 orions to feel better
[20:48:17] <DarthGeek|OpenGL> You militaristic killers call your home system's government illegitimate? WE are closer to enlightenment than we have ever been. YOU are the illegitimate government.
[20:49:28] <Ravenholme> "Enlightenment" means nothing when the destroyers gather at the gates and you divide us and accept the rule of a government that would probably try and hug the Shivans into oblivion
[20:49:38] * @Axem wanders off
[20:49:41] * @Axem finds a comet
[20:49:58] <Ravenholme> The GTVA is structured around repulsing the Shivan threat, only we can marshall humanities forces in such a way so as to have ANY hope of fending them off
[20:50:19] <DarthGeek|OpenGL> You think you can fight them. You moronic, arrogant, warlike barbarians. Don't you understand what happened at Capella?!
[20:50:55] <Ravenholme> Oh noez, they blew up a star - is that any reason to roll over and say "You win"? No you pathetic, arrogant little weakling
[20:51:18] <Caiaphas> If anyone brings the wrath of the destroyers upon us, it'll be the UEF.
[20:51:38] <Ravenholme> (Yeah, Noemi is totally talking to the Shivans)
[20:51:43] <Caiaphas> The shivans gave Laporte the schematics for a shivan comm node.  Two guesses what they're gonna do with it.

It started with an Admiral Steele discussion, and now it's going into more "spoiler discussion"territory... but I love getting in character. :D

 
Re: Epic Tev vs. UEF discussion from IRC [SPOILERS]
Axem is looking for comets?  Death to the Gef scum!
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[07:57:43] <Caiaphas> i just killed my pilots with a high-g maneuver
[07:58:19] <Caiaphas> apparently people can't take 20 gees for 5 continuous seconds
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Re: Epic Tev vs. UEF discussion from IRC [SPOILERS]
Pffft. GTVA doesn't have to roll over and let the Shivans kill them, GTVA doesn't have to deal with the Shivans PERIOD if they don't keep inciting their wrath.

 

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Re: Epic Tev vs. UEF discussion from IRC [SPOILERS]
You're so sure about how exactly the Shivans think you're willing to be ****ed the moment you're wrong and they come after you?
You so sure exactly why they do what they do, all their motives and agendas?

Really now?
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Offline Herra Tohtori

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Re: Epic Tev vs. UEF discussion from IRC [SPOILERS]
The UEF is the only legitimate authority in Sol system. They will not surrender their ships.

Sol may have been part of GTA, but the change of regime was legitimate. GTVA doesn't really have any good arguments for calling UEF illegitimate.

Of course, the GTVA has a history of violently subduing factions that attempt to secede from the Alliance, so actually there's nothing new on that regard. Except that UEF leadership doesn't use violently xenophobic rhetorics to acquire a following.

As to why they are resisting GTVA... well, that should be obvious. They are defending their homes and their way of life. Nothing new there either. People don't like to be meddled with. GTVA comes into Sol and tries to tell them what to do, what to think, don't run, don't walk. They're in their homes and in their heads and they haven't the right. They're meddlesome.

And no, to my best knowledge the Ubuntu party did not in fact utilize Paxilon hydrochlorate on the population of Earth to gain control, or resort to any other illegitimate measures.


GTVA's best argument for the war is not that the UEF would be illegitimate regime, but their concern that the Ubuntu-ruled humanity would not be able to deal with external threats.

This argument has several problems, however. First of all it assumes that Ubuntu-grown people would not be able to adapt to do the necessary things demanded by circumstances; I should think that by the time of War in Heaven Part 1, that would have been demonstrably proven false already.

Secondly, it assumes that Ubuntu-ruled humanity would face the same external risks as GTVA-ruled humanity. This may or may not be the case; more on this further on (GTVA's assumption is that Shivans want to destroy humanity, which to me doesn't seem to be the case).

Thirdly, it presents an implied claim that the humanity under GTVA leadership would fare demonstrably and meaningfully better against the external threats - specifically, Shivans - than humanity led by Ubuntu. There is no substantial evidence to support this claim. Either faction would crumble should the Shivans really decide to put the pedal to the metal. I don't think either the Great War or Second Shivan Incursion culminating to Capella incident show that the Shivans would have true drive to destroy humanity. It seems to me rather that they have quite different interests as a whole. Obviously they have much more resources than they have used against the GTA, PVE and GTVA - why haven't they used their full might if, as postulated, they want to destroy both Vasudans and Humans?

True, the Lucifer destroyed Vasuda Prime. It tried to destroy Earth (and in the Sanctuaryverse, succeeded). But what was the ultimate consequence of Shivan activities during and after the Great War?

Before, there were two factions (humans and vasudans) that had fought a war of attrition for fifteen years or thereabouts. After a few hectic months of fighting a new threat, these factions formed a unified front which after the war resulted in the formation of Galactic Terran-Vasudan Alliance. There's no denying that most likely a huge amount of Vasudans perished in the glassing of Vasuda Prime, but how many human and vasudan lives would have been lost had the war continued?

Would the T-V war have gone on forever? Or if one faction won, what would it have meant for the other faction? Xenocide? Slavery? Integration into the surviving faction as second-class citizens (cheeky prawns)?

Similarly in Capella incident, lots of people lost their lives. But to me it seems that their deaths were not the primary objective of the Shivans, more like collateral damage. If they had wanted to invade or destroy the whole GTVA space, they could have done so. Demoralized and disarrayed, the GTVA fleets could not have matched the Juggernaut fleet of the Shivans, at least for long. Instead, they contained their Sathanas armada into the Capella system and blew it up, those maniacs.

Clearly, blowing up Capella was higher on their list of priorities than destroying humanity or vasudans for that matter.

It can be concluded that the GTVA's fear of Shivans - while for a good reason - is slightly off the mark. Shivans should be feared for what they can do and what they are willing to do to achieve their (as a whole, unknown) goals; they seem to have about as much concern for their own losses as human or vasudan losses, which is about none. However, so far they haven't in fact shown clear desire to completely eradicate all human and/or vasudan life. If they had wanted to do so, they would have done so.

Instead, they once applied a discrete amount of force against humans and vasudans, resulting in loss of Vasudan homeworld and the defeat of this Shivan task force while en route to Earth; resulting in unification of Terran and Vasudan factions and ending a long war of attrition.

As to what comes to capella incident, no one really can say for sure what their aims there were. The only certainty is that they wanted to go to Capella and blow it up, and they did, regardless of the opposition.


So, as a summary: It is a mistake to assume that shivans' goals would be so simple as to destroy humanity or vasudanity; they seem to have some agenda or agendas hidden behind their hostility. And as a final question: Why did they capture Bosch and the Iceni's command crew if their aim was to destroy humanity? Why not just... blow them up?
« Last Edit: September 04, 2010, 01:26:15 am by Herra Tohtori »
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Offline Kosh

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Re: Epic Tev vs. UEF discussion from IRC [SPOILERS]
Let's also not forget what brought down the Shivans in the first place: Big, interstellar wars.
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Offline Scotty

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Re: Epic Tev vs. UEF discussion from IRC [SPOILERS]
I feel prompted to remind everyone on both sides of the debate that the Shivans still wanted us all dead even after we showed we could play nice.

Filthy Fed hippies.  Nothing you do or don't do matters.  Just roll over now, and you might live longer.

 

Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: Epic Tev vs. UEF discussion from IRC [SPOILERS]
Federal reliance on spinning gravity sections on the majority of their warships will be their undoing. Because eventually their crews will experience nausea, vomiting, and dizziness.
 
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Offline Herra Tohtori

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Re: Epic Tev vs. UEF discussion from IRC [SPOILERS]
I feel prompted to remind everyone on both sides of the debate that the Shivans still wanted us all dead even after we showed we could play nice.

Referring to what specific (canon) case of Shivan activity?

The one after 15 years of war?

Or the one that occurred after some rather questionable research and developement in Shivan technology coupled with an attempted coup and subsequent military activity (Silent Threat and ST:R, whichever way you look at it)?

Or maybe the one that started in the middle of a civil war (NTF Rebellion)?


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Filthy Fed hippies.  Nothing you do or don't do matters.  Just roll over now, and you might live longer.

As expected from a Tev symphatizer. Clearly if nothing UEF does or doesn't do matters, there shouldn't have been a lengthy and costly war in Sol system, no?

Consider this: You've lived all your life in relative piece and prosperity, in a regime that has existed longer than the one preceding it (UEF has existed longer than GTA). Not to mention that your system holds the majority of humanity (Sol system is more populous than rest of GTVA combined). Then, this group of upstarts comes knocking and says that since your system used to be part of GTA and GTA is now part of GTVA, you're part of GTVA and will be assimilated by force if necessary. This faction doesn't have the economical, political or sociological stability that UEF has. They also are severely lacking in the civil liberties department - in fact I would go as far as to call it a military junta, a war-time governing body that never gave up their emergency powers.

The GTVA attempts to demonize the Ubuntu leadership as brainwashing, scheming, non-elected rulers whose agenda would be devastating to humanity if it spread out of Sol system. To this, I say only this:

No, Tevs, you are the demons.


What is the main elected governing body of GTVA, and when were the latest elections?
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Offline Kosh

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Re: Epic Tev vs. UEF discussion from IRC [SPOILERS]
Kind of ironic in a way, at this point the Vasudans actually have more in common with their enemy than they do their own allies.
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Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: Epic Tev vs. UEF discussion from IRC [SPOILERS]
I think that's just cause to drop the Zods and burn you both. . . .
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-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
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Re: Epic Tev vs. UEF discussion from IRC [SPOILERS]
I have read all previous posts and have noted that all have valid points. But hear this, it is only a matter of time before the UEF develop the Cybrans and the Aeon movement emerges. And once that happens, soon after they shall become the Core and begin the war that will last over 4000 years.
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Re: Epic Tev vs. UEF discussion from IRC [SPOILERS]
Referring to what specific (canon) case of Shivan activity?

Actually, I was referring to the end of BP:AoA, which is canon for all intents and purposes to a discussion of BP:WiH.

 

Offline Herra Tohtori

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Re: Epic Tev vs. UEF discussion from IRC [SPOILERS]
Referring to what specific (canon) case of Shivan activity?

Actually, I was referring to the end of BP:AoA, which is canon for all intents and purposes to a discussion of BP:WiH.


But those are Shivans from the Sanctuary's universe. The main deviation from FreeSpace Proper universe is, of course, the destruction of Earth and survival of the Lucifer, but to me that suggests there must be a reason for this (rather than just some random failure of Alpha 1).

Furthermore, there's a line in AoA that to me gives a hint of what this reason might be:

"We know of Vasudans, but not of your Terran-Vasudan Alliance."


I hypothesize that in Sanctuary universe the main reason for the survival of the Lucifer is that Terrans and Vasudans failed to work together to defeat the danger facing them both. In other words, there is no evidence to show that humanity (or Vasudans) in Sanctuary's universe actually ever proved they could play nice.

In the case of Ancient monologues, they refer to the destroyers in plural, yet we only see one Lucifer (the actual threat, since the rest of the Shivans could be destroyed out of subspace). Why's that? Did the Shivans really have that little resources at that point?

Of course, it's possible that both the Ancients' and my hypotheses about Shivans' motives are completely wrong, and that they are driven by something else than knocking out bullies who don't play nice with others. Excessive usage of subspace is another hypothesis for the question "what attracts Shivans and why do they seem so awfully hostile every time we meet them", but again the Shivans could easily just wipe the humans and Vasudans out, if that was their main goal.

Even the Lucifer fleet, in its all apparent murderous purposefulness, gave a possibility of survival. Any military strategist/tactician should be aware that when ever possible, you just don't give your enemy any possibility of winning, and overwhelming force is where Shivans are good at. I refuse to believe that the FreeSpace 2 box art (stating Lucifer fleet as a scouting party) was actually true; I think Shivans could very well have called upon a fleet at least comparable to the Sathanas fleet at any time during the Great War (in fact, their reinforcements might have been waiting in the Nebula beyond Gamma Draconis, waiting for the Knossos device to be activated...).

There are a lot of inconsistencies in FreeSpace and FreeSpace2 plots, but much more if you insist on thinking that the Shivans really want to just destroy all species they encounter. Clearly there's more to them than that.

In summation, my argument is:

Shivans have demonstrated unstoppably overwhelming resources (numbers and technology being the most obvious). They are undeniably able to destroy Humanity and Vasudans - the Lucifer fleet was rather small compared to the Sathanas fleet, and it was possible for Humans and Vasudans to defeat the Lucifer if they managed to operate together; though if they would fail at this task, the Lucifer would - according to its mission parametres - keep at it until the events of AoA. Sathanas fleet, however, never tried to annihilate Humans - their objective was to proceed to Capella (lots of GTVA military died in attempts to stop this perceived invasion) and blow it up for unknown reasons (probably to power a subspace jump to unknown destination), and lot of people died because of that, but the destruction of human lives wasn't their objective, just pretty much collateral damage. Hypothetically, there exists many universes where Vasuda Prime is unscathed and Earth got burnt instead, or universes where both planets survived, or neither (like in Sanctuary universe).

One might argue that Shivans kept on attacking the evacuation convoys - yeah, they did. But I'm getting the picture that individual Shivans aren't the brightest tools in the shed, and they could have just acted according to their mission parametres, which might not have been updated to allow safe pass. The presence of non-shivan forces could have been perceived as a threat - small as it may have been - and they reacted to stimulus by aggression. In this sense they share some traits with social insects such as ants or bees, and their communications via "modulated quantum pulses" (I always wondered if they used amplitude modulation, frequency modulation or polarization modulation by the way) would support the hive mind hypothesis, which would suggest that the Shivan "soldiers" pretty much just do what they're told until told to do differently.

I should point out that the only demonstrably different case where shivans respond to anything by something else than aggression is when Bosch contacts them - they appear, board Iceni, kill a lot of crew on their way to CIC, extract Bosch and his command crew and leave the Iceni dead in the Nebula. This deviation from shivan's standard operating procedure is pretty interesting, because if you assumed that Shivans just wanted to destroy us, they would have again just destroyed the Iceni...


Addendum: As to what the Dante expresses... well, let's just say I'm a bit hesitant to extrapolate on that. I'll just point out that Vishnans and Shivans have been doing their (seemingly separate) jobs for a long time after the "Brahmans of old" up and left (whatever they may be), but now Shivan interests are opposed to Vishnan interests, and the balance of power has changed somewhat.

The Dante's desire to destroy humanity might exist more for the sake of opposing the Vishnans than for the task of destroying humanity.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2010, 10:54:41 am by Herra Tohtori »
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Offline Aardwolf

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Re: Epic Tev vs. UEF discussion from IRC [SPOILERS]
Er, maybe you're over-analyzing that one line a little bit.

"We know of Vasudans, but not of your Terran-Vasudan Alliance."

I mean, considering this is said right after Bei mentions the "Galactic Terran Vasudan Alliance"...

  

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Re: Epic Tev vs. UEF discussion from IRC [SPOILERS]
The best thing to use against the Shivans is Thermite, specifically Thermite-TH3, the military grade stuff. Just pour this **** all over the Dante in nice, big heaps. Standard Thermite exotic Thermite, whatever. For those of you who don't know, Thermite has its own oxidizer so it CAN burn in space, the this stuff is as hot as liquid plasma and also oxidizes metals (notice how i wasn't specific.). This **** would ruin them, and we have enough of it. BUT NO ONE BUT ME THINKS OF IT.

As for the TevFed war: **** both of you, on one side we have a bunch of OMFGWHATISAWAR. Seriously, look up WWI and the Vietnam War, they should be in your archives. And one the other side we have a bunch of over-controlling asshats who make the UN (prisonplanet.com) look like a bunch of pussies with all of their bio-weapons and stale speeches about their authority.

No one is wrong, but if I had to pick a side I would go for the Feds and teach them how a REAL war is won. Seriously I am NOT about to have MY planet bombed with chemical weapons, **** that. I will eviscerate you before that happens

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"I don't want to get any messages saying, 'I am holding my position.'  We are not holding a goddamned thing.  Let the Germans do that.  We are advancing constantly and we are not interested in holding onto anything, except the enemy's balls.  We are going to twist his balls and kick the living **** out of him all of the time.  Our basic plan of operation is to advance and to keep on advancing regardless of whether we have to go over, under, or through the enemy.  We are going to go through him like crap through a goose; like **** through a tin horn!"

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Re: Epic Tev vs. UEF discussion from IRC [SPOILERS]
^^ This is the attitude that will beat the Shivans.
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Re: Epic Tev vs. UEF discussion from IRC [SPOILERS]
This is the attitude that will get humanity wiped out within a month. :p

 
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Offline Colonol Dekker

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Re: Epic Tev vs. UEF discussion from IRC [SPOILERS]
And Patton would've loved to serve in the GTVA.
Campaigns I've added my distinctiveness to-
- Blue Planet: Battle Captains
-Battle of Neptune
-Between the Ashes 2
-Blue planet: Age of Aquarius
-FOTG?
-Inferno R1
-Ribos: The aftermath / -Retreat from Deneb
-Sol: A History
-TBP EACW teaser
-Earth Brakiri war
-TBP Fortune Hunters (I think?)
-TBP Relic
-Trancsend (Possibly?)
-Uncharted Territory
-Vassagos Dirge
-War Machine
(Others lost to the mists of time and no discernible audit trail)

Your friendly Orestes tactical controller.

Secret bomb God.
That one time I got permabanned and got to read who was being bitxhy about me :p....
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The only good Zod is a dead Zod
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