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Offline NGTM-1R

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Kolgena: That's an interesting argument, is this individual a "terrorist"? What if he proves to be white, Christian, and born in America? Are you willing to label them with the same title we label all of the usual "terrorist" steryeotypes?

Why the **** would he not be? Are you?
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Umm. Why can't white people be terrorists?

 

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Umm. Why can't white people be terrorists?

How soon we forget history.  You would be hard pressed to find an IRA terrorist that wasn't white.
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http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10

Suspected to be the gunman's YouTube account.

For you folks concerned about his political leanings, he appears to lean toward libertarian.
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He lists Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto on his list of favorite books, almost next to each other. That seems...ironic.
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Locutus of Borg, is there something in particular you are attempting to say with that image?

That maybe we have people like Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, and our friends at Fox to thank for riling up the right into violence. 

I mean, come on, what Palin did with that poster was just short of saying "HEY, MAYBE YOU SHOULD SHOOT THE DEMS IF THEY GET REELECTED AGAIN".  Remember one of the future Congressional staffers in Florida?  "If ballots don't work, bullets will"? 

And Glenn Beck fans, oh, don't even get me started.  Some nut in California who piled guns into his car and drove down to shoot up a nonprofit Beck said was tied to George Soros.  A guy who shot three cops in Pittsburgh because Beck had convinced him that the Feds were coming to take his guns away.

The people on the right NEED to realize that their heated rhetoric has real world consequences...I mean, come on, we've had police officers murdered, Democratic offices vandalized, death threats, abortion doctors being shot, and now a Democratic Congresswoman who was specifically targeted during the election gets shot.  Is it REALLY gonna take another OKC to convince these guys that they're dangerous?!
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For the sake of clarity, Nuclear1, I believe you meant "Oklahoma City [Bombing]" when you said OKC?

 

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He lists Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto on his list of favorite books, almost next to each other. That seems...ironic.

One of those people who lists things for their "buzzword" value, not because he's read them I'm sure.

Also, I think "terrorists are arabs" is a pretty new concept.  IIRC 'modern terrorism' developed in Serbia in the early 1900s. . .

 

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For the sake of clarity, Nuclear1, I believe you meant "Oklahoma City [Bombing]" when you said OKC?
Exactly.

There was plenty of right-wing domestic terrorism leading up to the bombing, but it seemed that Oklahoma City finally turned a vast majority of people against the militia movement for a while, the same way a lot of people turned against Christian domestic terrorism after the Olympic Park bomber.
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Maybe the real problem is disaffected youth let down by the political process.  I notice he was 22 years old.  You just can't trust anyone under 30.
Normal people believe that if it isn't broke, don't fix it. Engineers believe that if it isn't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet.
The difference between Mechanical Engineers and Civil Engineers is:
Mechanical Engineers build weapons.  Civil Engineers build targets
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Maybe the real problem is disaffected youth let down by the political process.  I notice he was 22 years old.  You just can't trust anyone under 30.
Yeah, those young bastards [/sarcasm]. Or maybe your political system is failing to rally the youth and mobilize them in a constructive way?

 

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Unfortunately our political system is at it's best when different parties have control of the presidency and the congress.  It stops them from doing as much damage to the country.
Normal people believe that if it isn't broke, don't fix it. Engineers believe that if it isn't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet.
The difference between Mechanical Engineers and Civil Engineers is:
Mechanical Engineers build weapons.  Civil Engineers build targets
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I hope she recovers.

Beyond that, I'm saying nothing, it's like a fight in a label factory in here...

 
Re: United States Congresswoman Shot
He lists Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto on his list of favorite books, almost next to each other. That seems...ironic.

One of those people who lists things for their "buzzword" value, not because he's read them I'm sure.

Also, I think "terrorists are arabs" is a pretty new concept.  IIRC 'modern terrorism' developed in Serbia in the early 1900s. . .

Or he could also have read them because he's a scholarly political student, for all you know. What's your point? It's a YouTube channel with no real relevance to this discussion.
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Maybe the real problem is disaffected youth let down by the political process.  I notice he was 22 years old.  You just can't trust anyone under 30.

It would behoove you to justify that comment.

 
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You know, in most parts of the world this kind of story would not be news.

 

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Hell, all the articles on this issue I've read only mention the five people that were actually KILLED in passing.  I haven't seen a "5 killed, numerous injured" headline yet.  Oh well, maybe I'm just making a mountain out of a semantic mole hill.

 

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Maybe the real problem is disaffected youth let down by the political process.  I notice he was 22 years old.  You just can't trust anyone under 30.

It would behoove you to justify that comment.

According to most statistics the average age of a terrorist is less than thirty.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2039865.ece

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_average_age_of_a_terrorist
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The difference between Mechanical Engineers and Civil Engineers is:
Mechanical Engineers build weapons.  Civil Engineers build targets
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Well, it is pretty rare for the US, though, unfortunately, if things continue down the road they are currently travelling, I can see it becoming more common. That said, however, you only have to go back a few years to realise that in the US, assassination of political figures is a fixed part of their history. If you take people like Abe Lincoln or JFK, both of those were killed (if memory serves) because their policies didn't sit comfortably with certain groups.

What makes this so horrific is that I don't think it's an assassination, I think it's the result of a nutcase with a gun, and trying to brand that nutcase as Libertarian, Republican, Tea-Party or anything else is kind of missing the point in my opinion.

 

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You know, in most parts of the world this kind of story would not be news.

I'm not saying that what you say has no relevance when I ask you, but perhaps it might serve the discussion well if you enunciated what bearing that comment has on the current situation and the problems that might have caused it to arise.

Solatar; that's an excellent point, I challenge you to expound further.