[-Joshua-]

Which is damn cheap. Although they do want 5% of the revenue should you actually go on and sell the game.

[redsniper]

Holy ****, and they've even made the source available. How the hell is that going to work legally? Epic automatically owns any code modifications?

[The E]

Holy ****.

[An4ximandros]

FUKH YEARH!

[Ghostavo]

Holy ****, and they've even made the source available. How the hell is that going to work legally? Epic automatically owns any code modifications?

Depends on the terms of the license.

[Turambar]

www.youtube.com/embed/PD5cRnrMqWw

Here's a trailer showing some of the features in UE4.  Also, it's great that someone started this thread and it wasn't me!

[-Joshua-]

... But will it SEXP?

[The Dagger]

I work for a game company that doesn’t use Unreal. Am I allowed to use the Unreal Engine on my personal time?

Yes, the EULA is very liberal in this regard. It doesn’t contain a Non-Disclosure Agreement. You’re free to use, learn from, and freely discuss the Unreal Engine even if you’re developing a competing product or technology.

^This sounds very good.

[Shivan Hunter]

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaamn. I'm an eternal pessimist so I keep looking for a cloud behind the silver lining but it really doesn't seem that there is one. It's really the full source? (thinking of FS's issues with the MVE stuff here)

Comments on the gamedev le reddit discussing the subscription model vs. Unity: http://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/20tnfm/unreal_engine_4_has_been_launched/cg6p4q5 (tldr it's MUCH better than Unity for a much better product).

Epic Games ftw

[Luis Dias]

I also got the email. This is great stuff.

[-Joshua-]

Here's that cloud behind the silver lining.

[The E]

Shots fired in the engine wars then. I wonder whether we'll see similar stuff out of DICE soon.

[Dragon]

I kind of wish this has started back before Squad started developing KSP... Maybe, just maybe we wouldn't be stuck with that piece of junk Unity is (honestly, that engine can't even grasp the concept of memory paging, and the 64bit version is broken beyond belief).

[The E]

Unity is still a pretty great engine, and Unity 5 will have 64-bit support, multithreading, and all the other goodies.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/03/18/gdc-2014-unity-launches-unity-5-graphics-engine-with-prettier-everything/

[Dragon]

Notice they said nothing about it's ability to page memory. This is what KSP could really use, though 64bit support should alleviate this problem for quite a few users. That said, it's not that Unity 5 won't be an important milestone, and maybe it will help with the memory issues 32bit, too.

[The E]

Honestly, I have no idea what you're referring to with "memory paging" in this context, or what the particular issues are that Squad ran into while working on something Unity wasn't really designed for.

I mean, yeah, Unity may not have been particularly suited to the needs of KSP, but there's little indication that UE4 or CryEngine would have been better.

[Fury]

I wonder whether we'll see similar stuff out of DICE soon.

We won't. The Frostbite isn't quite the stand-alone package like UE and CE are, it hasn't so far been designed for distribution. Creating games on Frostbite engine requires a variety of other professional (and expensive) sets of software. DICE might want to compete with UE and CE, but does EA? EA might not see the point in allocating resources towards that end and instead prefer to keep Frostbite in-house, where these requirements aren't an issue. Especially now that UE and CE have entered what looks like pricing wars to cater indie developers. I don't think EA cares very much to enter that war for the good of indies.

Additionally DICE and/or EA might even believe that when you don't have to consider distributing the game engine outside the house, they can depend on whatever non-free software the world has to offer and integrate the engine with them however tightly they want.

[The E]

Hell, for 9,90€ per month, I'll definitely grab myself a Cry license.

[Fury]

Hell, for 9,90€ per month, I'll definitely grab myself a Cry license.

Yeah it is quite appealing isn't it? Especially considering UE is twice as expensive and apparently has 5% royalty fee while CE has none.

[The E]

To be fair, we don't know the full text of the license yet. But purely in terms of how much it costs, that price point is hard to beat (and the question of how much royalties you have to pay is something to tackle once there are royalties that can be paid).