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Offline Luis Dias

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I'm not speaking in terms of Starfleet regulations, although he broke a lot of them (and I do think they could prove this in court beyond Stamets' testimony, given Mudd *did* have the temporal device on him, the theoretical possibility, etc.), I'm more speaking in terms of how you end an episode without any moral repercussions whatsoever. They treat him like TNG treated Q. But unlike Q with his horrible powers, this guy is actually just a guy. So why the hell are they treating him like a quasi-god, all too happy to see him go away? From the audience's point of view, there's not even the proper ironic twist that was foretold beforehand about how he wasn't really craving for his wedding, and letting him be married with someone he obviously didn't want to. If that was what was intended in writing, it wasn't well executed, it seems that he'll be fine. It would have been comedic for a horrible woman to show up and demand her wedding, Mudd visibly horrified but left with no options. At least in that sense, the lack of consequences would have been substituted by a joke on how marriages can be just as horrifying as any other punishment. But not even that.

 

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And his "time bracer" simply evaporates?  How come it didn't evaporate when he "robbed the bajoran bank"?

Well now they have the everywhere drive, and an infinite retry device in that dead space fish.

Get ready for the next episode where the crew turn up from the future future Red Dwarf style all fat and power mad.......
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I'm more speaking in terms of how you end an episode without any moral repercussions whatsoever. They treat him like TNG treated Q. But unlike Q with his horrible powers, this guy is actually just a guy. So why the hell are they treating him like a quasi-god

Because he's that recurring character from TOS, so he can not simply die in the prequel or have anything else horrible happen to him that would break continuity AND, more importantly, because the writers can not write for sh**.

That's my theory anyways.

 

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And his "time bracer" simply evaporates?  How come it didn't evaporate when he "robbed the bajoran bank"?

Well now they have the everywhere drive, and an infinite retry device in that dead space fish.

Get ready for the next episode where the crew turn up from the future future Red Dwarf style all fat and power mad.......

Future Lorca gets on swimmingly with the Hitlers....

 

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And his "time bracer" simply evaporates?  How come it didn't evaporate when he "robbed the bajoran bank"?
Wasn't the phlebotinum connected to the bracelett single use?
Essentially as long as he kept going back in time before the half-hour expired it still worked, when he let the half-hour pass the phlebotinum was exhausted so no more time loop, they even chose to have the suicide close to the end of the loop to put more pressure on him to make the more impulsive decision.
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So there just needs to be an episode where they get more wonderflonium err ... phlebotinum and infinite retries is a go. I already dread the season finale now.

Although chances are ... that those writers will just forget about it and do some completely unrelated other stupid thing for the finale.  :rolleyes:
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I'm sorry, are we pretending that time travel is suddenly something that is hard to do in Star Trek now
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So there just needs to be an episode where they get more wonderflonium err ... phlebotinum and infinite retries is a go. I already dread the season finale now.
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I'm sorry, are we pretending that time travel is suddenly something that is hard to do in Star Trek now

No and that does annoy me. In TOS they did the good old solar slingshot manoeuvre several times and it worked just fine.

TOS established a lot of crappy things though, like the galactic barrier. I remember watching through one of the seasons and the galactic barrier was used as a plot device so often I literally said "see you next episode!"

I can forgive Discovery messing with canon since canon is something that is accepted or rejected at the discretion of the viewer.

Example:- I enjoyed some of Enterprise, but there's a lot of it that I just willfully ignore and believe never happened, such as the Romulans having cloaking tech in 2152. Warp speeds are another element that writers interpret loosely.

Now all that being said, I don't mind the lack of concrete numbers on these sorts of things, but I'd like some sort of continuity. NX-01 is slower than Discovery is slower than Enteprise is slower than Enterprise-D etc.

Star Trek as a universe has become so large that it suffers from the Star Wars syndrome of writers feeling as if they have to pad out every bit of it and completely failing to create something coherent as a result. It wasn't so bad until Enterprise came along and Discovery is just compounding the problem.

I think the fans themselves are much better equipped to match the different bits of Star Trek timelines in a way that makes sense, Axanar being a good example.

 

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Regarding time travel, I have re-watched TNG's "Cause and Effect", and despite all its inherent 90s flaws, it's so goddamn superior to Discovery's rendition of it. It slowly builds up the case, and doesn't tell you these things are on repeat, it shows you. And it works like a crescendo, despite its inherent periodic structure. The solution is set up right at the beggining, not thrown at the end like a deus ex machina.

Also, I've been listening to some things, and I found out this nice character out there called Paul Stamets, specialist on fungus and hypothesizer of this stuff working like a network in the entirety of our planet. So that's our conceptual reference for Discovery, but I guess it's going nowhere? I don't seem to be able to trust the writers they'll be able to write anything interesting about this further on in the second part of the season (we're already at the "fall finale", whatever the **** that is and we barely know the crew, wow!)

 

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I think the fans themselves are much better equipped to match the different bits of Star Trek timelines in a way that makes sense, Axanar being a good example.

Too bad that Axanar seems to be in the process of slow unscheduled disassembly. A lot of the crew that made Prelude to Axanar has left, and none of the high-profile actors from that are actually signed to appear in front of a camera for it anytime soon. Yeah, Prelude to Axanar was awesome - but whether the final product will live up to it is questionable.
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I thought it was dead?

 

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I think the fans themselves are much better equipped to match the different bits of Star Trek timelines in a way that makes sense, Axanar being a good example.

Too bad that Axanar seems to be in the process of slow unscheduled disassembly. A lot of the crew that made Prelude to Axanar has left, and none of the high-profile actors from that are actually signed to appear in front of a camera for it anytime soon. Yeah, Prelude to Axanar was awesome - but whether the final product will live up to it is questionable.

To be fair though, going from a planned 90 minute film to two 15 minute ones must have had a negative impact on morale. The lawsuit certainly did its damage.

 

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It almost felt as if Discovery never really belonged to the non mirror universe. I'm having the sense that this crew fits superbly in this universe.

Nothing like ****ing your hot crush after killing the second of command and while your captain is suffering torture like crazy. Hell yeah Burnham, ride that sweet pleasure and hail the empire, it sure suits you and your series like 100%.
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Holy **** episode 11 actually delivered what 10 set up really really well. I'm almost doubting myself here. I actually enjoyed the hell out of this ****. And boy that last reveal actually got to me.

Kudos, Star Trek! You did well.

 

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Yeah, while I was definitely a fan of the show before, this Mirror Universe arc they're doing right now is just something else. There's still some stiltedness in there (As much as I like Soneqa Martin-Green, her performance while talking to Mirror Sarek and Mirror Voq was a bit too enthusiastic and idealistic, if that makes sense), but the way they're paying off a lot of things they've set up so far makes for really fun watching.
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Oooh is the 2nd mirror universe episode out?


Will have to watch how that agony booth thing turned out.
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[Shameless double post]

 :pimp:

Long live the Terran Empire!


Death to zods etc.

I like this new story arc.
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So if this does actually turn into Star Trek: "Multiverse adventures ala Rick & Morty" I'd be quite delighted.

(That is until they mess it up again! :P)

Aside from that: Long live the Terran Empire!!!! (Frankly, if they stay in the Mirror Universe for the rest of the show that would be even more awesome LOL.)

 

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Yup, thoroughly enjoying this foray into the Mirror Universe.  Past Trek's have treated MU episodes as somewhat farcical, but the fact that Discovery is playing this straight (and taking an arc approach to the series in general, rather than past Trek's heavy emphasis on standalones) has made it very, very interesting.  I particularly enjoyed the little twist at the end of the last one; that was well-played.

Also, Saru continues to be more and more awesome, and Doug Jones deserves an even larger role than the one he has already.
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