[KARMA]

Originally posted by Omniscaper
I figured out that the Galaxy ship, can convert as a single mesh as long as all the vertices are aligned and that no intersections occur. It was a toughy to take a model composed of 10+ parts and stitch them into one mesh. Many of the objects seems to have been created apart from the super structure. Those objects HAD TO BECOME subobjects. I figured out that all the crashes I've been having with conversion or Freespace seems to stem from the fact that if a ship, which is treated as a "single" mesh, contains any form of polygon or vertex intersection, crashes the game if not PCS.

mm that's strange, let's hear bob's response:)

[Bobboau]

if 90 isn't smooth enough (wich I think it should be) just crank it up to 120 or something.

as far as that crashing issue, I havn't realy heard of that sort of problem, but that does sort of make sence given that the POF data structure holds geometry in a BSP tree.

[Omniscaper]

I'm ready to hand over this model to someone. I am now COMPLETELY frustrated with this "hierchial" system of Truespace. I'm not even exactly sure how a ship should be PROPERLY grouped. The tutorials are a bit vague. There are too many variables with porting over a model that those tutorials do not cover. Mods within mods which use mods. I need sleep now. A week of modding in circles. I'll stick with the model porting. I'll glady email whoever wants the model so long as I get a copy of the final POF with all the trimmings such as working Beam weapons (a problem as well for me).

[Omniscaper]

>=(  


>=(

[KARMA]

hierachy examples:
http://underworld.fortunecity.com/pacman/106/fs2mods/shipcreationguide/convertingyourmodelusingtsandpcs.html
http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/blackwater/fstut/PCS_auto-gen.htm
http://underworld.fortunecity.com/pacman/106/fs2mods/shipcreationguide/appendices.html

[Bobboau]

why don't you post a picture of your hierarchy

[KARMA]

Originally posted by Bobboau

as far as that crashing issue, I havn't realy heard of that sort of problem, but that does sort of make sence given that the POF data structure holds geometry in a BSP tree.

btw...
this means that if I have an high poly mesh with many intersections, even if it appear to work flawlessy in game, it may cause the game to crash after a certain amount of time if there are more of those model at the same time?

[Omniscaper]

I'm no longer in Truespace  but I'm blaming the turret problem on it. I grouped and centered the lights to every turret subobject, which the axis centered on the subbject, yet I still can't target all of them in game. All the turrets appear in PCS. Is there a turret number limit? I'm guess the problem lies in the hierarchy.

[StratComm]

Is the table set up to define all of them properly?  That sounds like a table issue rather than a model one.

[Omniscaper]

All turrets accounted for in the TBL. All 34 turetts. They all fire, but i cannot target them all. Much of them are firing THROUGH the ship as well. I set all their FOV to 45, but is the FOV setting relative to each turret's axis?

[Omniscaper]

Truespace just crashed and KILLED ALL my grouping effort. I managed to convert to POF before the incident. Truespace crashed and when I reopened my file all the subobjects and lights were ALL OVER THE PLACE.

[StratComm]

Yeah truespace can be a pain like that sometimes.  Save often, and rotate your files so you can roll back to an earlier state if something goes wrong.  I've got a new question though... if modelview shows your model, what happens when you select a turret in NON-edit mode?  Does the whole model dissapear or is the turret still visable?  It may be a high-poly thing, but it sounds like something is seriously FUBAR'd with the game or the model.

[Omniscaper]

Model view SO does not like anything with more than 5k. I can only get the LOD version of the Galaxy to work. But you should see the entire model

[Flipside]

You need to talk to Vasudan Admiral, he's uprated the ModelView wource code to accept a lot more polys, though it is still slightly limited by the number of UV Co-ords it can handle

Flipside

[Omniscaper]

FINISHED! All Turrets fire properly, Subsystems incorporated and none of the turrrets shoot THROUGH the ship. I set all turret FOV's to 100. Silly oversight of light size and placement has been fixed. I rearranged the hierarchy so that all turrets are directly under the main object and not under its own sub-subgroup which I arranged previously so that all 34 turrets would not be so cluttered. The only problem is that I can see laser bolts through the ship. I don't know if its SCP build issue.

How do I get this ship to fire beam weapons. I changed the gun type in the TBL but this ship refuses to use them and gets pounded. Which is the best gun type use anyways?

[Bobboau]

beam free alll


yes the seeing lasers through the ship is an engine issue, it hassn't shown as being a big enough problem to warent our fixing it yet

[Omniscaper]

Beam free all? Is that a TBL command? Which gun type should I use that will come close to red phasers?

Wanna see the Galaxy exploding?

http://dynamic3.gamespy.com/~bridgecommander/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=209800

[Bobboau]

it's a sExp, one wich must be called on each ship wanting to use beams

[Knight Templar]

Well.. one out of two isn't too bad.

[Omniscaper]

Let beams SPEW!!!  Thank you Bobboau.

Now I just made a model of a photon torpedo. What is the best way to make the the model glow red. For now I'm trying to modify a cyclops torpedo.