[Stryke 9]

Yeah, the wheels bit is just... weak, man.

I personally dig those guys down in Mexico who occasionally get the mood and actually do nail themselves up.

[diamondgeezer]

Nailing one's self to a cross is impressive. I'd have to ask a mate to do the actual nailing for me, as I'm a wuss

[Stryke 9]

I think they must have someone else do the nailing. After all, how would you do the last arm?

[aldo_14]

Blu-tac?

[TrashMan]

Originally posted by aldo_14
Aetheist.  Although i don't discount the existnece of a higher power, i just don;t think it matters - surely how you live your life is more important than how you pray?  And after all, some of the worst atrocities in history were committed in the name of religion.....

According to christianity, you don't have to be a beliver to go to heaven...You just have to be a good guy.
"For anyone who does good, is beloved by God!"

[Stryke 9]

Nope. Virtuous nonbelievers go to Limbo for Catholics, Hell for most Protestants. Unless you're in some kind of libby pinko ultratolerant heretical wing of "christianity". Baptism is a prerequisite for Heaven, and if you were baptized and still don't think Jesus was the son of God... ooooh, God does not like you.

[diamondgeezer]

Trash, read my earlier post

Hey look, someone voted for Allah

[Nuke]

i hope he didnt take ofense to my ak47 crack.

[Knight Templar]

Originally posted by TrashMan


According to christianity, you don't have to be a beliver to go to heaven...You just have to be a good guy.
"For anyone who does good, is beloved by God!"

Erm.. no. Besides that being the opposite of what Christianity is about (at least, in the churches I've been to) it sort of defeats the whole purpose of Jesus.

[Goober5000]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
Baptism is a prerequisite for Heaven

'Tis not.  Look at the thief on the cross - all he did was ask to be remembered (not even ask to be saved) and Jesus told him he was going to paradise.

[Knight Templar]

Too bad the other one was a prick.

[Grey Wolf]

When reading the Bible, remember to take it all with a grain of salt. Most of the New Testament was probably not written until at least the late first century, if not the second or early third. If you need a source for contradictions to appear, it's right there. And if you want another reason for thinking intelligently about the Bible, remember that the specific books present were chosen by the Bishops at the Council of Nicea to support their views.

[Setekh]

Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
When reading the Bible, remember to take it all with a grain of salt. Most of the New Testament was probably not written until at least the late first century, if not the second or early third. If you need a source for contradictions to appear, it's right there. And if you want another reason for thinking intelligently about the Bible, remember that the specific books present were chosen by the Bishops at the Council of Nicea to support their views.

Not to discredit you also GW, but I would suggest to everyone thinking seriously about this to take those assertions right there with a grain of salt too.

[Kazan]

Setekh: actually his information is 100% correct and is verifiable by experts on the papryses that contain the oldest known coppies of the bibles

the suppoedly oldest the "Magdalene Manuscript" is of dubious dating - the first non-dubiously dated one is roughly in the third century CE (common era)

[Su-tehp]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
Baptism is a prerequisite for Heaven

Originally posted by Goober5000
'Tis not.  Look at the thief on the cross - all he did was ask to be remembered (not even ask to be saved) and Jesus told him he was going to paradise.

Ok, this point is obviously disputed, but just take it with a grain of salt that I also heard that baptism is a pre-requisite for getting into heaven. If so, then I guess I'm going to hell no matter what because my dad told my mom when my sister and I were born that he did not want to get us baptised; he thought my sister and I should be able to choose our own religion(s) when we were old enough to decide for ourselves.

Considering that my sister and I have been agnostics all our lives, and I became a full-blown atheist after Mom died, Dad showed tremendous foresight, no?

I don't care about heaven because no one has offered me any proof that it exists, so I'll live my life in this world as best I can, where I know I can do some good.

And if God (if he even exists) sends me to hell for not worshipping him, despite the fact that I'm still a good guy, I'll gladly help the Big D storm heaven again and overthrow God The Tyrant. Even the Devil needs an advocate. What else are lawyers for, anyway? :thepimp: :devil:

[Ace]

Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
When reading the Bible, remember to take it all with a grain of salt. Most of the New Testament was probably not written until at least the late first century, if not the second or early third. If you need a source for contradictions to appear, it's right there. And if you want another reason for thinking intelligently about the Bible, remember that the specific books present were chosen by the Bishops at the Council of Nicea to support their views.

True, many concepts such as the trinity were disputed until the Council of Nicea declared them to be the one and only way to interpret the then-created canon.

What I do find ironic though is how close the book of Revelations, a cornerstone of the Calvinist philosiphy that dominates most of the fundamentalist Christian groups was very close to not being in the canon.

Of course, a former girlfriend of mine stated that the council was influenced by the holy spirit, but I am thoroughly convinced that the actual fundamentals of Christianity were perverted beyond recognition by the politics of men at that time if it truly was directly from or inspired by God.

Of course, if it is really all God's will, he's clearly into social Darwinism

[Setekh]

Originally posted by Kazan
Setekh: actually his information is 100% correct and is verifiable by experts on the papryses that contain the oldest known coppies of the bibles

Kazan, the assertion of GW's is that the Bible's words ought to be taken with a grain of salt, because they are stained by humanity's touch upon them in the writing and selection process. However, the assertion itself is historiographically only one of many possible explanations. It too must be taken with a grain of salt.

Ace, I think it's useful to realise that if those words really were inspired by God, and God is not some sort of fairy who is unable to keep his communication with us as accurate as he wants it to be, then what he wants to communicate to us will get to us despite human plans to intervene.

Btw, it's called 'Revelation'.

[TrashMan]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
Nope. Virtuous nonbelievers go to Limbo for Catholics, Hell for most Protestants. Unless you're in some kind of libby pinko ultratolerant heretical wing of "christianity". Baptism is a prerequisite for Heaven, and if you were baptized and still don't think Jesus was the son of God... ooooh, God does not like you.

I have no ideain which churches you went to, but if you think that, you have a very rigid and false view of Christianity.

If you're a good guy, you go to heaven!

(Even if you belive in that Limbo stuff, since once you get in the limbo and see that there IS a GOD you WILL belive and that's your ticket to Heaven...)

The whole point of Christianity IS about beeing good in the heart...doing good things..NOT praying, bowing and praising God in a SINGLE, SPECIFIC WAY!

When you think about it, God and Alah are one and the same.
Different people in different parts of the world have spread his belief in different ways...
Every religion starts  by beeing passed on verbally (fom generation to generation). And liek a fisher's tale as it pases from one man to another, therea re specific changes compared to the original (based upon the persons).. Yu don't really belive that EVERY SINGLE WORD in the Bible/Kuran are exact to the letter..
Hundereds of years of circulating tends to change the "story" a lot....

That's why I don't take the Old testament too seriously...
The New Testament was written down allmost imidiately (and largely by the apostols and their direct followers), so I put my faith in that part...

[Setekh]

Originally posted by TrashMan
The whole point of Christianity IS about beeing good in the heart...doing good things..NOT praying, bowing and praising God in a SINGLE, SPECIFIC WAY!

You're half-right, but I still dispute that. Christianity is about Christ, and how his life, death and resurrection opened the way to eternal life which we cannot earn ourselves. No paraphrase, however well-intentioned, ought to replace that.

[beatspete]

Originally posted by Nuke


science is a process by which people aquire knoledge. any question andwered by science has been answered by people. i find your statement redudndent. its hard to define science as a god.

It's hard to define 'god' if you dont believe in god(s). I basically mean that science is where I put my trust, and where my beliefs come from.