[Grey Wolf]

Hmm.... Do you think the admins would mind if we hijacked this thread and turned into a thread about Asterix?

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Grey Wolf 2009
Hmm.... Do you think the admins would mind if we hijacked this thread and turned into a thread about Asterix?

Nope.

And the on-site burns unit would be postively delighted.

[Kazan]

Rictor: you're being a jackass - you know most of america felt like they had been "Pearl Habor"ed after 9/11 and thought some reasonable powerful government was going to be behind it - and not afghanistan -- technically that invasion was reprisal as they did have enough evidence to link the attack to Bin Laden and his Taliban support -- I can remember most of the world supported us on that call


As for your "supporting american dominance" - it sounds like your jealous, it honestly does.  You ever consider we don't _have_ to use our military to be on top - you really are a jackass -- by your logic no country on the planet can have an army - but you seem to be directing that logic just at the US --- you are being stupid, illogical and more-or-less a bigot.

[aldo_14]

[Grey Wolf]

EDIT: NM.

[Kazan]

Grey Wolf: start your own thread -- stop trying to intentionally hijack a thread

[Grey Wolf]

Fine, I'll stop.

[aldo_14]

Balls.

I've come up with a theory, y'see, that it's easier to completely divert a thread than to calm people down (i.e. avoid the escalation of insults) when trying to prevent it erupting into  a merciless flamewar.  

Was hoping to test it, too...

[ionia23]

Pfft, let 'em protest.  That's supposed to be the whole damned point, being able to do things like that.  If they're protesting it means it's working.

[Lonestar]

So much talk about controlling other people and how to do it. Why? What happened to the rights of the iraqi people, nevermind US soldiers and bombs for one second.

Why are we there? its not humanitarian thats for sure, so the only reason anyone is quelling anything is because of economics not people.

Now the people affected by the economics are fighting, together to destroy the west and it will get worse with each debate asking how to fix this.

the solution is simple, leave, let them decide who is in charge by voting or fighting. And when they become our problem again or ask for help, we go over and do what they ask of us within our means and within our morals.

However the coalition wont leave cause of economics and as long as that takes precedence over human lives Iraq will be a swell of terrorism and problems for many years, maybe decades to come.

Good job to the coalition for killing over 600 coalition members, and millions of iraqi's in this effort. This is the only apparent number coming from this war, all else is just destruction and death.

Im beginning to think the coalition is a terrorist organization hellbent on world domination and power through controlling of resources, but dont tell GW i said so.....

One last thing, the mission is accomplished according to ****, so why then are US soldiers still their and why does it matter so much they be allowed there? US concenr was WMD's and there are none there, and their other concern was Saddam and his regime and his family and they killed all them but Saddam and have him in a dark hole somewhere.

So why is this massacre allowed to continue?
The US people think they are free, but they are the most controlled society known to man. Democracy breeds problems IMO. Im sure atleast 50% of the US population wants this to be over, but even with democracy a majority isnt enough soemtimes.

Does this remind anyone of vietnam? Even though casualties are far lower the exact same thing is happening all over again, and some people are so ignorant of the past they let it happen again...

[Kazan]

They let them protest - just not with bombs, hand grenades, guns, etc

[Grey Wolf]

I assume you mean the censored one, and not me?

Me, I personally feel we should turn over the area to the UN or the Iraqis themselves ASAP.

[ionia23]

Anyone around here knows what an ass****, er, warmonger I am, but I agree with what the general consensus is.

It doesn't matter if 10,000 Iraqis are running through the streets protesting the US presence.   As long as they aren't hurling grenades, for the US to use force against them is no different than when the National Guard opened fire on protesters here years ago.


"The time has come
A fact's a fact
It belongs to them
Let's give it back"

[Gank]

Originally posted by Kazan
Gank: how am I acting like liberator by pointing out an obvious bias - and if you missed it that's your own fault (hint: religiously tainted wording)

Because its the sort of thing is ilk start crying when they dont like what the article says. And I meant it more in the context of saying its written by a fundamentalist, when theres absolutly nothing to suggest that it is. I suggest you go back and read the damn thing, because you seem to have missed something.

(hint: religiously tainted wording)

 Articles about a religious figure, course theres going to be "religiously tainted wording". And since when has mentioning religion made you a fundamentalist?

Originally posted by Flipside
Edit : As I recall, this Russian 'anti-jamming' device didn't work, and most of the other weapons may cause irritation, the may take down a helicopter or two, kill 20+ soldiers etc, then the owner would get hit be a clusterbomb or the like and that's the problem solved.

Nice guess, but I wasnt actually talking about the gps jammers, which actually did work quite well. RPG-29s and SA-18s I was reffering to, which are small, relatively cheap and manportable, ideal for guerilla warfare.

the may take down a helicopter or two, kill 20+ soldiers etc, then the owner would get hit be a clusterbomb or the like and that's the problem solved.[/B]

Riiight, like somebodys gonna stand around waiting for a clusterbomb to fall on top of them after an attack. You seem to have a lot of faith in the power of bombing, in the sort of conflict in Iraq atm its next to useless.

[Liberator]

What I like about you Gank is your hypocricy.  

You attack what you call fundamentalists in defense of what are essentially fundamentalists.

So what this leads me to believe is that, to you at least, is that it is okay for you to attack Christians and Jews just because they are Christian or Jewish.  

You are trying to make this conflict not about religion, but in fact, the agressors(Islamist thugs) admit that it is about religion, at least in part.

[Gank]

You know what  I like about you Liberator? The way you dont let your complete inability to understand whats being said prevent you from argueing.  I never called anyone a fundamentalist here, nor have I attacked christians or jews just because they're of that faith. I think thats happened in your bigoted little mind.

And I thought the conflict in Iraq was about liberating the place from Saddam, not religion? I think all this foreign stuff is too much for you libby, maybe you best go lie down for a while?

[Kazan]

Gank: the author was using religiously tainted speach as their own wording - not in a purported quote of summation of the religious leaders words


they were his/her own words when refering to the US and "Coaliition" forces.

The Conflict in Iraq as suppoedly because they had WMD and links to Al Qaeda  - which i knew to be BS, and then they tried shifting attention to it being about Saddam being an evil person, yada yada BS

You keep talking about "handing it over" - they're going to do that June 30 - which is a very reasonable ammount of time considering some occupations in the past

You may not know it - but life for the _average_ Iraqi is better - I hear through people who have no interest in supporting either side of the conflict (See: IT people who are working their for information freedom, etc the promotion of alternative operating systems ---- PS: Microsoft is so screwed, there is no way they're going to convince iraqis to pay $150 US for something they can get for $2 at the local internet cafe's burn station (cost of a cd))

[Gank]

Originally posted by Kazan
Gank: the author was using religiously tainted speach as their own wording - not in a purported quote of summation of the religious leaders words

they were his/her own words when refering to the US and "Coaliition" forces.

Right

All the news agencies flocked to his mosque. But few reporters on the ground understood, and almost no one back home, save a small handfull of astute observers like Juan Cole, that Al Sadr and his radical Shiite followers were Iraq's wildcard. Since the first hours after Baghdad fell they had been biding their time, quietly arming, raising money and recruiting new members to fight what they knew would be a coming battle to remove the foreign infidel from their land. The Americans appeared helpless, or unwilling, to stop them.

I presume this is what you're talking about, I cant find anything else. Its pretty obvious hes talking about what the Shias think. Looking around the rest of the site I find it hard to believe the editors a muslim, let alone a fundamentalist. You're taking an inch here and running a mile. I do apologise for saying your like libby though, after his last post I realise how big an insult that is.

You keep talking about "handing it over" - they're going to do that June 30 - which is a very reasonable ammount of time considering some occupations in the past

Dont recall mentioning it at all, I mentioned the americans getting kicked out. What exactly are they handing over? I know they arent going home, and elections arent happening.  

You may not know it - but life for the _average_ Iraqi is better - I hear through people who have no interest in supporting either side of the conflict (See: IT people who are working their for information freedom, etc the promotion of alternative operating systems ---- PS: Microsoft is so screwed, there is no way they're going to convince iraqis to pay $150 US for something they can get for $2 at the local internet cafe's burn station (cost of a cd))

70% of the workforce is unemployed http://www.uuiraq.org/english/41.htm, they might have more freedoms but they cant afford to enjoy those freedoms. Why? Because most of the work in the country is going to US contracters. As for them paying $150 for a cd, the average wage is about $50 a week, course they're not going too.

[Kazan]

unemployeement hasn't changed since before we went in AFAIK

the economy of that country has been in the ****ter since UN sanctions were handed down 13 years ago

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I never said I think we're justified to be there - but I'm not going to let you talk out your ass

"Americans getting kicked out" - yeah freaking right, that's going to happen all of _NEVER_ especially with the arrogant unelected president we have

[Bobboau]

watching liberator and Gank snipe at each other is like watching two walls fight

oh, we are so fucked.
well I say get somehting like a government put together, give them the keys, then run. try to get the UN to stableize it, we probly won't be able to settle it down becase everyone hates us. then have elections. popular vote, no ****ing electoral collage.

Kaz, what do you'r Iraqi slashdot folks sudgest we do?